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Fact is, it was sold as a goose, therefore its a goose.The AP burner may have been made by Tange, but its a Burner non the less.The Gen One Haro Freestyler may have been made by Torker, but its a Haro non the less.The Kuwahara range is mainly Tange, yet they are Kuwahara's non the less.Hutch mag wheels may be made by OGK, but they are called HutchMRD frames are made by Rickman, but they are still called MRD.Christ, Hutch did not make thier early frames, but people still get wood over 'eary' Hutch frames (god knows why, they are all shite). Just because it is not what you remember mongoose to be dont mean that it is anything else but a goose, it may be built by a different welders torch, in a different country, but it is still a goosey goosey gander. And it makes absoloutly no odds where a bike was made, the fact is, on Xmas day in 1986 when many a young pup opened up his box containing a Trickstar, do you think he checked the length of the foot pegs and if it had a baseball symbol or not, no, all the kid wanted to do was put on a set of tuffs (stamped made in England) and get out and ride, not even bothered where it was from, the fact to most kids was, said bike was a trickstar. Nowadays people seem to be so anal about where a frame was made and forgetting why they are in this hobby for the first place, for the love of BMX and to relive youth, not about cashing in on my 'usa made' this and my NOS that, its about the frame and no one gives a shit where its from, it is that attitude thats killing this hobby off by making it a value thing not a fun thing. Point made yet?
Quote from: ORB on March 17, 2006, 04:29 PMFact is, it was sold as a goose, therefore its a goose.The AP burner may have been made by Tange, but its a Burner non the less.The Gen One Haro Freestyler may have been made by Torker, but its a Haro non the less.The Kuwahara range is mainly Tange, yet they are Kuwahara's non the less.Hutch mag wheels may be made by OGK, but they are called HutchMRD frames are made by Rickman, but they are still called MRD.Christ, Hutch did not make thier early frames, but people still get wood over 'eary' Hutch frames (god knows why, they are all shite). Just because it is not what you remember mongoose to be dont mean that it is anything else but a goose, it may be built by a different welders torch, in a different country, but it is still a goosey goosey gander. And it makes absoloutly no odds where a bike was made, the fact is, on Xmas day in 1986 when many a young pup opened up his box containing a Trickstar, do you think he checked the length of the foot pegs and if it had a baseball symbol or not, no, all the kid wanted to do was put on a set of tuffs (stamped made in England) and get out and ride, not even bothered where it was from, the fact to most kids was, said bike was a trickstar. Nowadays people seem to be so anal about where a frame was made and forgetting why they are in this hobby for the first place, for the love of BMX and to relive youth, not about cashing in on my 'usa made' this and my NOS that, its about the frame and no one gives a shit where its from, it is that attitude thats killing this hobby off by making it a value thing not a fun thing. Point made yet? hell no. You may own the site, but you can't change history. That bike is a booger-weld piece of trash. Sorry to rain on his parade. I think it's noble of you lot to try and make him feel better. I said he should be mad at his dad, but that was just tongue in cheek.. only joking. He should be glad that his dad bought him what he "thought" was a mongoose. And if that was sold in 1986, then I could care less about that mongoose era anyway, by then they had "sold their soul", but having said that.. the fact that this copy bike has a gusset was an attempt to copy the previous gusset era. And I completely disagree with you regarding the quality of welds on old geese versus Calis etc.. How many old one's do you personally own? I do, however, agree with your sentiment regarding us as kids.. we did not check for baseball symbols and such, and were very happy to have whatever BMX we received. BUT that was then, and now, as adults, some of us are trying to memoralize an era in a historical sense, being true to the integrity of actual history. Likewise, when I was a kid, I never repacked my wheel bearings, but now that I'm an adult, I do. Does that mean I should just let them cake up and harden with dirt just because I didn't maintain my BMX bikes too well as a 12 year old?If you and him want to pretend that this bike in question is a BMX Products Inc. calibre bike, then more power to ya!But don't try and gang-tackle me for speaking the truth in all honesty. Facts are ALWAYS good. There has never been a time when facts worsened a situation. Truth brings knowlege and understanding. Falsehoods sometimes make us feel better, and so that's what we are after right? warm fuzzy feelings, or cold truth?If Akisu stickered frames with JMC decals, (with authorization or not) it would not make them a JMC bicycle.
How many old one's do you personally own?
You may own the site, but you can't change history
That bike is a booger-weld piece of trash.
He should be glad that his dad bought him what he "thought" was a mongoose.
BUT that was then
I never repacked my wheel bearings
If you and him want to pretend that this bike in question is a BMX Products Inc. calibre bike
If Akisu stickered frames with JMC decals, (with authorization or not) it would not make them a JMC bicycle.
QuoteHow many old one's do you personally own?got an 80, 81 and 82 old gussetted goose
Quote from: theŽuler on March 17, 2006, 06:28 PMQuoteHow many old one's do you personally own?got an 80, 81 and 82 old gussetted gooseThat's not old. I have a '76, '77(2), '78, '79, '80 (2), '81(2) Quality was there from the very beginning, and quality did not start dropping off until late 81. Gee, I don't see any 82 and up models in my inventory for some reason.
Quote from: Astrodamus on March 17, 2006, 07:19 PMQuote from: theŽuler on March 17, 2006, 06:28 PMQuoteHow many old one's do you personally own?got an 80, 81 and 82 old gussetted gooseThat's not old. I have a '76, '77(2), '78, '79, '80 (2), '81(2) Quality was there from the very beginning, and quality did not start dropping off until late 81. Gee, I don't see any 82 and up models in my inventory for some reason. cant really afford anything earlier mateall of mine are imports, some were quite costly (for me)i'd like some older ones to go with my mid school collectioni just like bmx's. i got bikes from 1980 to 2002 in my collection!when was the pro class made? i'd like one of them too.