Author Topic: A bad Haro copy... (Read 7342 times)

Swivel · « **Reply #25 on:** May 24, 2008, 10:57 AM »

Ad, here are a load of Haro Gen 1 serial numbers from this site in the Torker built section. Looking at the below, me thinks its a snide and a bad one at that!

Quote from: greentoad on June 15, 2007, 08:54 PM

Quanity   Serial   Build Number   Model   Month    Year

1   TXX 154 F   154   Freestyler Gen 1   November   1982
2   TXX 450 F   450   Freestyler Gen 1   November   1982
3   TXX 483 F   483   Freestyler Gen 1   November   1982
1   TUU 821 F   821   Freestyler Gen 2   February   1983
2   TTT 1029 F   1029   Freestyler Gen 2   March   1983
3   TTT 1041 F   1041   Freestyler Gen 2   March   1983
4   TSS 1105 F   1105   Freestyler Gen 2   April   1983
5   TSS 1118 F   1118   Freestyler Gen 2   April   1983
6   TSS 1138 F   1138   Freestyler Gen 2   April   1983
7   TSS 1141 F   1141   Freestyler Gen 2   April   1983
8   TSS 1163 F   1163   Freestyler Gen 2   April   1983
9   TSS 1171 F   1171   Freestyler Gen 2   April   1983
10   TSS 1235 F   1235   Freestyler Gen 2   April   1983
11   TRR 1352 F   1352   Freestyler Gen 2   May   1983
12   TRR 1354 F   1354   Freestyler Gen 2   May   1983
13   TRR 1399 F   1399   Freestyler Gen 2   May   1983
14   TQQ 1462 F   1462   Freestyler Gen 2   June   1983
15   TQQ 1515 F   1515   Freestyler Gen 2   June   1983
16   TQQ 1674 F   1674   Freestyler Gen 2   June   1983
17   TQQ 1713 F   1713   Freestyler Gen 2   June   1983
18   TPP 1727 F   1727   Freestyler Gen 2   July   1983
19   TPP 1748 F   1748   Freestyler Gen 2   July   1983
20   TPP 1749 F   1749   Freestyler Gen 2   July   1983
21   TPP 1808 F   1808   Freestyler Gen 2   July   1983
22   TPP 1828 F   1828   Freestyler Gen 2   July   1983
23   TPP 1829 F   1829   Freestyler Gen 2   July   1983
24   TPP 1872 F   1872   Freestyler Gen 2   July   1983
25   TPP 1887 F   1887   Freestyler Gen 2   July   1983
26   TOO 1973 F   1973   Freestyler Gen 2   August   1983
27   TOO 1990 F   1990   Freestyler Gen 2   August   1983
28   TOO 2009 F    2009   Freestyler Gen 2   August   1983
29   TOO 2033 F   2033   Freestyler Gen 2   August   1983
30   TOO 2090 F   2090   Freestyler Gen 2   August   1983
31   TOO 2130 F   2130   Freestyler Gen 2   August   1983
32   TNN 2184 F   2184   Freestyler Gen 2   September   1983
33   TNN 2258 F   2258   Freestyler Gen 2   September   1983
34   TNN 2283 F   2283   Freestyler Gen 2   September   1983
35   TNN 2329 F   2329   Freestyler Gen 2   September   1983
36   TNN 2347 F   2347   Freestyler Gen 2   September   1983
37   TNN 2353 F   2353   Freestyler Gen 2   September   1983
38   TSS 2357 F   2357   Freestyler Gen 2      1983
39   TNN 2366 F   2366   Freestyler Gen 2   September   1983
40   TMM 2484 F   2484   Freestyler Gen 2   October   1983
41   TMM 2527 F   2527   Freestyler Gen 2   October   1983
42   TMM 2684 F   2684   Freestyler Gen 2   October   1983
43   TLL 2653 F   2653   Freestyler Gen 2   November   1983
44   TLL 2738 F   2738   Freestyler Gen 2   November   1983
45   TKK 3007 F   3007   Freestyler Gen 2   December   1983
46   TKK 3050 F   3050   Freestyler Gen 2   December   1983
47   TKK 3124 F   3124   Freestyler Gen 2   December   1983
48   TKK 3148 F   3148   Freestyler Gen 2   December   1983
49   TKK 3216 F   3216   Freestyler Gen 2   December   1983
50   TKK 3339 F   3339   Freestyler Gen 2   December   1983
51   TKK 3363 F   3363   Freestyler Gen 2   December   1983
52   TJJ 3483 F   3483   Freestyler Gen 2   January   1984
53   TJJ 3551 F   3551   Freestyler Gen 2   January   1984
54   TII 3729 F   3729   Freestyler Gen 2   February   1984
55   TII 3882 F   3882   Freestyler Gen 2   February   1984
1   THH 3924 F   3924   Master Gen 1   March   1984
2   THH 3937 F   3937   Master Gen 1   March   1984
3   THH 3978 F   3978   Master Gen 1   March   1984
4   THH 3982 F   3982   Master Gen 1   March   1984
5   TGG 1440 F   1440   Master Gen 1   April   1984
6   TFF 4309 F   4309   Master Gen 1   May   1984
7   TEE 4497 F   4497   Master Gen 1   June   1984
8   TDD 4599 F   4599   Master Gen 1   July   1984
9   TDD 4649 F   4649   Master Gen 1   July   1984
1   T 07844754 M   4754   Master Gen 2   July   1984
2   T 08844880 M   4880   Master Gen 2   August   1984
3   T 08844940 M    4940   Master Gen 2   August   1984
4   T 08844949 M   4949   Master Gen 2   August   1984
5   T 0884498? M   498?   Master Gen 2   August   1984
6   T 08845069 M   5069   Master Gen 2   August   1984
7   T 08845160 M   5160   Master Gen 2   August   1984
8   T 08845168 M   5168   Master Gen 2   August   1984
9   T 09845565 M   5565   Master Gen 2   September   1984
10   T 09845607 M   5607   Master Gen 2   September   1984
11   T 10845840 M    5840   Master Gen 2   October   1984
12   T 10845931 M   5931   Master Gen 2   October   1984
13   T 10846004 M   6004   Master Gen 2   October   1984
1   TEE 0083 HS   83   Sport Gen 1   June   1984
2   TDD 0196 HS   196   Sport Gen 1   July   1984
1   T 08840441 S   441   Sport Gen 2   August   1984
2   T 08840459 S   459   Sport Gen 2   August   1984

adam01 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:02 AM »

excellent info Swivel

appreciated

here we go Bid Retractions:

immediately.

i have now removed my bid . hope no one else bids on it

Bettyswallocks · « **Reply #27 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:14 AM »

Adam

When you retract your bid make sure you give 'fake item' as the reason for retraction

Why not report it to ebay while your at it

I've also emailed this joker this morning telling him the bike is not a haro and he should at least amend the ad to state its a replica (piss poor one at that) ive not had a reply yet... it'll piss me right off if i get all that 'one off custom built' bollocks....

mark 2 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:19 AM »

It's not been mentioned yet that from the later part of 84 Master's Haro manufacturing would have been taking place in Taiwan. So how could he have had a custom one made in US mid 80's on a frame they no longer made and at what facilities? And if there was any truth about it being custom made and particularly rare you would have made a song and dance about it in the original listing to squeeze every penny out of it.

sweetbeats · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:24 AM »

The fake one in going for more than the original : )

adam01 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:27 AM »

Quote from: Bettyswallocks on May 24, 2008, 11:14 AM

Adam

When you retract your bid make sure you give 'fake item' as the reason for retraction

Why not report it to ebay while your at it

I've also emailed this joker this morning telling him the bike is not a haro and he should at least amend the ad to state its a replica (piss poor one at that) ive not had a reply yet... it'll piss me right off if i get all that 'one off custom built' bollocks....

Bettyswallocks

how do you do that as there is only 3 options

Entered wrong amount

Seller changed item description

Cannot contact the seller

HEYWOOD BMX · « **Reply #31 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:35 AM »

The current owner is probably well aware that it is a copy.Probably heard the words"old school" and "maybe valuable"and saw a multitude of £signs.Prick.

QUADROPHENIA · « **Reply #32 on:** May 24, 2008, 11:49 AM »

looks like normal haro quality to me

Old_Skool71 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 24, 2008, 12:03 PM »

I'm so glad there are guys like you around, i'm not really that familier with early old school bikes and to be honest i can't say i ever paid that much attention to every detail of the bikes i owned, i'm not really big into the tech stuff at all, so i personally could have been easily fooled by this listing, and when i first saw this thread i was going to post asking what it was about the bike that screamed fake...but before i got around to it all you fine fellas answered it for me

Andrew

Bettyswallocks · « **Reply #34 on:** May 24, 2008, 12:06 PM »

Quote from: adam01 on May 24, 2008, 11:27 AM

Quote from: Bettyswallocks on May 24, 2008, 11:14 AM
Adam

When you retract your bid make sure you give 'fake item' as the reason for retraction

Why not report it to ebay while your at it

I've also emailed this joker this morning telling him the bike is not a haro and he should at least amend the ad to state its a replica (piss poor one at that) ive not had a reply yet... it'll piss me right off if i get all that 'one off custom built' bollocks....

Bettyswallocks

how do you do that as there is only 3 options

Entered wrong amount

Seller changed item description

Cannot contact the seller

Sorry Adam i didnt realise the retraction thing had changed, it used to be like leaving feedback, you could put whatever reason you liked.

I still havent heard owt from the seller....

Swivel · « **Reply #35 on:** May 24, 2008, 12:42 PM »

I've emailed the guy twice now and heard nothing, no surprises there... guy is an

macky · « **Reply #36 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:41 AM »

So has anyone found anything with the serial No. to this frame.......??

the seller seemed very upset that he may have been ripped off and insists it came from a genuine Haro dealer...

he'd like proof its a fake.......

awww...... bless!!

Flaz · « **Reply #37 on:** May 25, 2008, 05:48 AM »

looks like a torker to me ? if with dave if your gonna ave it custom made to your spec then you must have to dosh to trick it out

the geeeza is a bell end ,, ive emailed him no reply twat !!!!!

get that bid retracted or just email him and say retract it fella coz i aint gonna give you £4 let alone £400 you fooKing mug!!!!!!

PHIPPSIO · « **Reply #38 on:** May 25, 2008, 09:18 AM »

Its a faro bidrstyler,cut and shut, front end haro rear end firebird

Definately not a haro. Too many qusetions regarding where the serial is, what the serial is, shape of rear dropouts, that fooking great seat stay gusset, when and where it was made, perhaps Bob made it in his garag

bmxer4ever · « **Reply #39 on:** May 25, 2008, 10:14 AM »

Problem #1 Seat Post Gusset - looks like a Firebird

Problem #2 Front end DOES look like a Gen 1...

Problem #3 Twin Tube gusset TOO high - on top! - to be a HARO...

Problem #4 Rear Drop outs wrong shape, serial# in wrong place - no coaster bracket...

Problem #5 Since when did Haro put their fork stickers half way up the forks...?

Problem #6 Can't be cut and shut with a Firebird - DP chain stays swept up from BB. Also didn't Gen 1's have machined BB's?

Hope this helps! I hate liars....
G

Bettyswallocks · « **Reply #40 on:** May 25, 2008, 10:38 AM »

A real one for comparison....

Not hard to spot the differance....

I've still not heard owt from the seller....

Swivel · « **Reply #41 on:** May 25, 2008, 10:57 AM »

Very nice mate

, gotta get my Gen 1 re-chromed soon, can't stand it being on its own in the loft

CD17 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 25, 2008, 03:33 PM »

I got a reply off him saying it is a real Haro & why would I lie

twat

Bettyswallocks · « **Reply #43 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:33 PM »

Quote from: Swivel on May 25, 2008, 10:57 AM

Very nice mate , gotta get my Gen 1 re-chromed soon, can't stand it being on its own in the loft

Cheers, its my pride n joy....

Ive also had a reply from the seller all he said was

'Feel free to come and have a look'

What a dick....

macky · « **Reply #44 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:39 PM »

He did reply to me, told me he paid $900 for this in 1983... from a genuine Haro dealer in the U.S. !!

Quite upset when i told it wasnt a genuine Haro... wants proof its a copy/ fake..

Even invited me to go check it out & try it for myself........

Anyone live close to Surrey....

bmxer4ever · « **Reply #45 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:44 PM »

I'm tryin' to keep an open mind, but it just seems so unlikely.... $:-\$

Swivel · « **Reply #46 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:55 PM »

Here is his reply to me....

Quote

I bought this from the USA in the mid 80s and was told the seat post plate was a custom option hence the c in the serial number?

Why would they lie?

Also the finish is high standard and all the parts seem to be very high quality.
The welds are A1 quality and has handled many jumps, tricks with no damage to anything, even the wheels are still 99% true!
Has the original parts that are all execatly the same as you would exepct on any other standard haro.(e.g. mx900 brakes in adonised blue, etc...)
Am certain it is geniune.
Come here and ride it yourself!
I personally guarantee once you see it you'll know it's the real deal!

potstu · « **Reply #47 on:** May 25, 2008, 09:50 PM »

looks a bit like this Orion on bmxmuseum..

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/orion/10157

macky · « **Reply #48 on:** May 25, 2008, 09:59 PM »

thats is the closest model to that frame...

other than the Dp style top tube plate... thats an exact copy!!

bmxer4ever · « **Reply #49 on:** May 25, 2008, 10:02 PM »

Quote from: potstu on May 25, 2008, 09:50 PM

looks a bit like this Orion on bmxmuseum..

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/orion/10157

I almost cried "We have a winnahhhh!", then I noticed that the headtube isn't right and it doesn't have the seatpost plate. Damn.

Dropouts and twintube plate look spot on though....