Author Topic: Pre serial Hutch Exper Racer - Project Budget Hutch (Read 8504 times)

fatalan · « **on:** August 10, 2016, 12:31 PM »

Once upon a time (many years ago) I had a Raleigh burner. I then got to 40 and decided I wanted another. I recently purchased an Ultra Burner. It was OK but it wasn't what I wanted.

Recently I purchased a Hutch Frame from a member of the radbmx forum. It was sold to me as needing work and it does need work.

The reason why I am starting this thread so early on is that I am the king of procrastination. If I have a build record it will hopefully inspire me to complete the build rather than get half way through and break it. I know that ultimately project bikes seem to end up being broken in the end but Id rather finish it first!

All that has happened so far is I have paid for it. Had it delivered and have booked it in for de-chroming. I will be dropping the frame off Monday.

At the moment the plan is to build a nice looking bike with period correct bits that will not kill me financially!

Starting point

1)Frame as purchased -

2)Rear brake bridge

3)Headtube

deeman · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2016, 02:36 PM »

Nice one Alan, good to see an exciting looking build thread.
What colour are you going to go with? I love the old candy reds and blues...not sure if they were out when this frame was made.
You should be able to build something tasty for a reasonable budget if you use some repop parts here n there. Have you sourced forks yet?
Damo

fatalan · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2016, 02:56 PM »

Thanks Damo.. thanks for the comment.

2 things that have been taking up much of my spare thought process have been included in your comment - forks and colour!

Looking at forks I have seen the "proper" forks in the US changing hands for rather significant amounts of money. I have been looking into similar looking forks - perhaps some landing gears.. not sure. I could always keep my eyes open for proper forks once built. I cannot really justify the cost.

Colourwise I am keen on black but part of me is telling myself to just do something a bit mad.. I considered pink.. I like futuristic black that they did for a while. I think they look good white and a sky blue colour. I have till the frame comes back to decide! Part of the issue I had with the ultra burner I had is that I could see others just like it online.

Gonna be re-pops a plenty on this deeman.. have you seen the price of proper pedals for these! They are thing of beauty but as my first full build Im going for completeness and rideability. I can always look at those rare bits as time goes on.

I really need to have the fork choice made before powder coating really!

deeman · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2016, 04:38 PM »

Quote from: fatalan on August 10, 2016, 02:56 PM

Thanks Damo.. thanks for the comment.

2 things that have been taking up much of my spare thought process have been included in your comment - forks and colour!

Looking at forks I have seen the "proper" forks in the US changing hands for rather significant amounts of money. I have been looking into similar looking forks - perhaps some landing gears.. not sure. I could always keep my eyes open for proper forks once built. I cannot really justify the cost.

Colourwise I am keen on black but part of me is telling myself to just do something a bit mad.. I considered pink.. I like futuristic black that they did for a while. I think they look good white and a sky blue colour. I have till the frame comes back to decide! Part of the issue I had with the ultra burner I had is that I could see others just like it online.

Gonna be re-pops a plenty on this deeman.. have you seen the price of proper pedals for these! They are thing of beauty but as my first full build Im going for completeness and rideability. I can always look at those rare bits as time goes on.

I really need to have the fork choice made before powder coating really!

Definitely go mad!! The pink ones look cool..personally I would go candy red, the finish looks amaing. check the galleries of SBD's work, you should see some examples there. white is a little boring imo.
Forkwise, you might get lucky and find some hutch forks..a wanted ad on here may turn some up. Other than that, people usually use Tange ARx or similar, or maybe newer stamped Landing Gears.
Yea, the hutch pedals are stupid money, even the repops...As you intend to ride the bike probably for the best as they are not exactly shin friendly! A pair of Suntour XC II's look similar and nice, if you are getting the frame powdered you could get a bit fancy on the pedal cages or bodies...or maybe a pair of Shimano/Victor DX..It doesn't have to be a full Hutch build to be a nice bike. I have a nice pair of gold Araya 7X which would look ace on there depending on where you go with the colours.

oldschoolace · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2016, 04:52 PM »

Whats up with the brake bridge and headtube?

fatalan · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2016, 05:02 PM »

Oldschool Ace. Nothing wrong with them at all.. Seem fine. Just showing the welding round the headtube and giving an indication of the whole frames condition. Seems perfectly sound as a base - just aesthetically needing work.

Been looking at SuperBike Steves work and love the look of it. So many colours to chose from and if you cant decide why not have several! Not sure Id go a multi route but i quite like the idea of a nice red or similar.

Forkwise I am looking at ARx Tange as there are a few about. The only ones are see are in very good condition and it seems wrong to take a mint set of forks, de-chrome them and paint them a ludicrous colour (there's a nice set on a famous auction site at the minute). As a man who once broke an MK1 Escort RS Mexico as it was worth more in bits I know how soul destroying it can be to wreck something with a future value!

I agree with the point on shins and Hutch pedals- those beartraps can rip through skin and bone like a knife through butter and other such cliche's... Some true heroes riding with them on!

You got the plan spot on though deeman - build a nice hutch with some nice bits. Its not going to be hung from a wall so id rather have components Im not scared to scratch or damage.

Cheers,

Alan

oldschoolace · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2016, 05:12 PM »

Ah my mistake, couldnt see the pics for a second and thought it was a list of issues.

fatalan · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2016, 05:24 PM »

All is good Oldschoolace. Hoping after the chrome removal and powder application that the Hutch is still visible but all seems fine. The welding looks tidy enough too. As a frame its a nice piece.

deeman · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2016, 07:03 PM »

It's Super Bike Dan Alan! His work is TOP NOTCH although the corrosion is quite serious particularly around the head tube and I am sure he will have his work cut out! I wouldn't trust anyone else...you get what you pay for...
If you get a pair of mint chrome forks just leave them chrome...it will still look great.
I will look great I reckon if done right...some repop silver pads maybe...

fatalan · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2016, 08:14 PM »

It is definitely super bike Dan.. no idea where my head was at when I typed that! I was trying to work on two tasks at once I think.

I had not really thought about it but I reckon chrome forks will work regardless of frame color especially if accompanied by a few shiny silver components or parts. Nice idea!

Cheers

Alan

oldscool · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2016, 08:31 PM »

Put on it what you like. Im building all my bikes the way I like with a mix of my favorite parts.
Thats how I had my bikes when I was a kid and thats how I like them a mix of parts I like the look of. Most BMX bikes evolved when we were kids we swapped parts all the time. Im not a fan of bikeshop builds I think they are a bit dull.

fatalan · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2016, 08:38 PM »

When we were kids... i still do it.. my motorcycle has different parts from different Suzuki's peppered all over it!

I think I'm getting a clearer idea of how to go with it.. I think a nice frame colour with period chrome or polished parts might be the way this is going. My problem is I needed to create a build thread to make sure I got this thing built! I am very bad at seeing a plan through to the end. I usually do finish what I start but the "backburner" section of my shed can become very full very quickly! I'm starting to get excited now.. appreciate the help gents!

fatalan · « **Reply #12 on:** August 22, 2016, 06:31 PM »

As an update the frame is being stripped at present. The build is going on but I have nothing really to report.

Decided on my color schemes and powder coating colour so updates will follow. I know there are lots of threads that start and never go anywhere hence the update 👍

Lots of shopping to do. I did intend going to MK but having lived there for many years I just couldn't get the motivation to drive down from Cleethorpes. Having seen the pics I should have.. looked awesome. I'll get this hutch sorted for the next one.

factory pilot · « **Reply #13 on:** August 22, 2016, 08:13 PM »

We all love a crazy long detailed build thread here on RAD ..

.. Or is that just me

Seriously dude if you procrastinate we are all here to confuse you even more!

Looking forward to this one

fatalan · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2016, 03:44 PM »

Project budget hutch has been painted locally. I did want to send it away but couldn't really afford it. I am working on the basis that I could perhaps get it powder coated once built.

As I'm due to get the frame back within the next couple of days I need some help..

1) No way am I going to be able to fit the "correct" forks to this.. I simply could not justify the cost and it wouldn't be a budget build - Does anybody have any fork suggestions that would fit? Ideally period correct..
2) I have been looking at crank options. Hutch stuff looks beautiful but again the cost is quite scary. Having seen so many bikes ending up being broken once built Id rather not have a fortune invested and not need to sell it once built. Historically I didn't like 3 piece cranks due to creaking etc and was a fan of One Piece Cranks. Is it possible to fit an OPC on one of these frames? Any 3 piece suggestions?

I was going to fit some 7x type wheels as I don't recall seeing one of these on Skyways.. Would be cheaper to build with Skyway "news" with Kool Caps but not really what I'm looking for.
As the hutch stems are beautifully made I will probably just polish a MS-422 SR within an inch of its life. I know hutch used these with a "cap" but they seem quite pricey...

Once the frame is in my hand I'll inspect and the post pictures of the frame as it is now. I am pretty excited!

Sorry to ask what may seem like such basic questions. I probably shouldn't have tried to do a Hutch on a budget but Ive dipped my toe and fell in it seems.

fatalan · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2016, 07:48 PM »

The new colour..

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BMX1973 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2016, 09:01 PM »

Cool looking frame there. I'd just go with some old school Chrome forks like Tange. Should be able to pick up a set whilst collecting other parts. Could put up a wanted ad.

fatalan · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2016, 09:11 PM »

I think that would look just right... nice suggestion.. I think if i keep the chrome theme with some polished bits throughout that would look nice..

I'm struggling to get a picture of the frame where it doesn't look black.. its only in light the purple appears. That was how I wanted it but its difficult to photograph hence the photos not being the best really.

oldscool · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2016, 09:42 PM »

Looking good Al you are not hanging around ive got frames ive had for nearly 25 years and still not done anything with them. I would gofor Araya 7x`s with it being a race bike you can normally pick up a decent set for £100 to £125 if you dont mind polishing the sides and cleaning up the spokes. If you need any parts drop me a pm ive got tons of stuff and plenty of parts that just need a bit of elbow grease.

fatalan · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2016, 10:00 PM »

I tend to hoard if I procrastinate! I probably will go down the 7x route. I think I want to get forks and stem sorted first, then down the crank route then onto wheels. I love taking stuff and making it shiny. I should really buy Autosol in bulk!

If you've got anything you feel might be of use Dave you are welcome to drop me a PM! I cant guarantee purchase that day but period correct and ready to be polished is good for me!

Ill get a better picture of the frame tomorrow.. Its a black base with a purple meta-flake type effect. I like it but I need good light to get a picture where its not just black. I don't really want to apply any graphics until the end. A final touch type thing.

fatalan · « **Reply #20 on:** September 01, 2016, 05:21 PM »

As promised... Heres the frame. Went with black base coat with purple flecks and a shiny lacquer. Apologies for photographing nearly every small event but I want to make sure that this gets finished... everyone works better under pressure! This thread will probably be a long one.

The frame today..

Drop outs

And Im on the lookout for some reasonably priced forks....

CustardLips · « **Reply #21 on:** September 01, 2016, 05:51 PM »

That's a funky looking paint job.

Like BMX1973 says... Tange forks are your best bet and shouldn't be too difficult to find.

BMX1973 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 01, 2016, 06:38 PM »

To keep cost's down you could go with a one piece crank.

Although I'm biased as most people know on here I have never built a bike with a 3 piece.

fatalan · « **Reply #23 on:** September 01, 2016, 07:27 PM »

Its all about the money on this one.. I know it might seem a bit of an odd choice to go budget and hutch but the idea of throwing money at a project doesn't really appeal to me. I dont have money to throw at a project is one of the main reasons that idea does not appeal!

BMX1973 - I think I am very likely to go the opc route. I'm kind of working on the basis that I want to build it up first. I could perhaps but some nice parts on once its usable. I prefer riding with an OPC but a nice 3 piece is a thing of beauty.
CustardLips - I have put up a wanted ad. I do like Tange stuff. Always looks nice. As long as it fits and looks right (and is safe) I'm good with it! Who knows.. I might find some cheap undrilled Hutch forks one day....

Im going to have to go with layback seat post and some sort of far reaching stem so that I might actually ride it. I don't really want to go with bars pushed right forward.

BMX1973 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 01, 2016, 09:02 PM »

Better off with a lay back seat post if you need the leg room. I always use one on my riders.

Don't lean the bars too far forward as you will then be leaning over the bike. It will not feel right.