Author Topic: Blood boiling fakes (Read 9639 times)

Pooch · « **Reply #75 on:** September 17, 2014, 09:56 AM »

Foot restyling talk..

Jaan · « **Reply #76 on:** September 17, 2014, 09:57 AM »

Mirroring an already made comment (several times) fakes or copies have always been about. In all the years i've been unfortunate to watch Antiques Roadshow i've never heard the pundit say "well thats a fake, you've just sodding well devalued the original"...

If you know your stuff you'll be able to spot them but it takes time to "learn" the differences and with new parts coming onto the market everyday the chances of being duped become more likely.

Perhaps we should have a "Fake/Copy" sticky that helps Radsters spot the difference? Keep it subjective and educational.

Mat · « **Reply #77 on:** September 17, 2014, 10:13 AM »

Thats a very good idea Chris.

Here we have an example of an ORIGINAL Haro Sport.

Easy to tell as it has quality welds & the Haro chevrons stamped ito the down tube gusset

Plus it was spotted in Thailand which adds to its authenticity

Gnarlyscoots · « **Reply #78 on:** September 17, 2014, 10:20 AM »

It's also very very rare too. It isn't signed

Quote from: Mat on September 17, 2014, 10:13 AM

Thats a very good idea Chris.

Here we have an example of an ORIGINAL Haro Sport.

Easy to tell as it has quality welds & the Haro chevrons stamped ito the down tube gusset

Plus it was spotted in Thailand which adds to its authenticity

Bob_Acid · « **Reply #79 on:** September 17, 2014, 10:31 AM »

Quote from: MartyC on September 17, 2014, 04:00 AM

Quote from: kungfunky on September 16, 2014, 09:32 PM
I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most.

I'm also not a fan of personal digs and insults about who builds what or how long folk have been around etc etc, there's loads of newbies on here and if they read this type of petty crap they'll just think we're all gaybo's.

There are con men everywhere in all walks of life, where there is money you will find them and this hobby is no different. The thing is to know your stuff, Gary (JC) makes no attempt to put his stuff out there as original, all of it is stamped JC YY (YY being the year) and his eBay sales all state they are replica or tribute and so on. If a buyer of one of his items wants to try and con someone else with it that is their decision and that would be a criminal offence (knowingly deceiving someone for financial gain). The thing is to "out" those people that lie, cheat and con buyers so that other buyers are aware of the risk they take when dealing with that person; Buyer Beware and it applies to everything not just BMX bikes.

On a same but different note that has appeared in this thread, sadly this hobby seems to attract a large number of people who are fanatical (defined by the Oxford Dictionary as "A person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal" and "A person with an obsessive interest in and enthusiasm for a particular activity") who clearly think that their opinion is more relevant than anyone elses. Some people are fanatical in everything they do...

Stop going on , my opinion is way way way more relevant than yours. Gaybo

Gaybo? made me chuckle that did.

Jaan · « **Reply #80 on:** September 17, 2014, 11:01 AM »

Quote from: Mat on September 17, 2014, 10:13 AM

Thats a very good idea Chris.

Here we have an example of an ORIGINAL Haro Sport.

Easy to tell as it has quality welds & the Haro chevrons stamped ito the down tube gusset

Plus it was spotted in Thailand which adds to its authenticity

Dibbs!!

pickle · « **Reply #81 on:** September 17, 2014, 11:09 AM »

Quote from: kungfunky on September 16, 2014, 09:32 PM

I'm not a massive fan of repop/fake stuff but a fan of well made stuff. JC has not hidden the fact the frame is a copy but the bloke who owns it told a whole heap of shit to people about the frame, "been in OZ years, a 78, was originally blue bla bla cnuting bla". That's what pisses me off the most.

I'm also not a fan of personal digs and insults about who builds what or how long folk have been around etc etc, there's loads of newbies on here and if they read this type of petty crap they'll just think we're all gaybo's.

I think that pretty much summs it up well ASH

Mind you, can't stand retro new school stuff......who the hell would buy that crap

Pooch · « **Reply #82 on:** September 17, 2014, 11:29 AM »

I'll happily stick my ESP stem in it as a reference.. I know of a few that have been done..be good to see all the differences in the repops to.. So we can see what to look for.. Think yours are identical to mine Terry?

antiquebmx · « **Reply #83 on:** September 17, 2014, 12:26 PM »

Quote from: Jaan on September 17, 2014, 09:57 AM

Perhaps we should have a "Fake/Copy" sticky that helps Radsters spot the difference? Keep it subjective and educational.

That is an excellent idea especially padsets and small items

nosepickben · « **Reply #84 on:** September 17, 2014, 02:24 PM »

So, are we all against del now with his "fake" stickers....

ED209 · « **Reply #85 on:** September 17, 2014, 02:49 PM »

Quote from: nosepickben on September 17, 2014, 02:24 PM

So, are we all against del now with his "fake" stickers....

ya bustedfooted troll

don't think many could pass off new decals as OG

MartyC · « **Reply #86 on:** September 17, 2014, 02:55 PM »

Quote from: ED209 on September 17, 2014, 02:49 PM

Quote from: nosepickben on September 17, 2014, 02:24 PM
So, are we all against del now with his "fake" stickers....

ya bustedfooted troll

don't think many could pass off new decals as OG

There are a lot of double standards applied in this and many other hobbies where restoration is involved...

southern andy · « **Reply #87 on:** September 17, 2014, 05:01 PM »

I would not say no to one of those ESP stems but i wouldn't put it on any other build but a rider. They look like a work of art.

Waxintaxin · « **Reply #88 on:** September 17, 2014, 05:09 PM »

wait till everyone gets to know about the fake 7x and the fake 401s

plenty of them on bikes at MK and not one person knows they are rocking them on bikes.

oh and the fake alloy loopy PK rippers all with consecutive serials

and the fake hutch stems, bars and frames

plenty of fake goods knocking about and some of the most prolific collectors dont even know

Jaan · « **Reply #89 on:** September 17, 2014, 06:19 PM »

Quote from: Waxintaxin on September 17, 2014, 05:09 PM

wait till everyone gets to know about the fake 7x and the fake 401s

plenty of them on bikes at MK and not one person knows they are rocking them on bikes.

oh and the fake alloy loopy PK rippers all with consecutive serials

and the fake hutch stems, bars and frames

plenty of fake goods knocking about and some of the most prolific collectors dont even know

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"

Jaan · « **Reply #90 on:** September 17, 2014, 06:24 PM »

Quote from: southern andy on September 17, 2014, 05:01 PM

I would not say no to one of those ESP stems but i wouldn't put it on any other build but a rider. They look like a work of art.

Theres a guy taking orders for these on twatbook

Pooch · « **Reply #91 on:** September 17, 2014, 07:20 PM »

This was a gift.. And it's art..

Hmoon27 · « **Reply #92 on:** September 17, 2014, 08:24 PM »

Top thread!
Just for info... I've been in touch with Lord Goff recently and the reason he's not into the hobby so much , due to the workload at his new buisness ....
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Waxintaxin · « **Reply #93 on:** September 17, 2014, 09:32 PM »

Not really lol

If I spotted a fakey I would tell the owner

snoopy72 · « **Reply #94 on:** September 18, 2014, 06:18 AM »

Well I choose to have a Helix square stem on my build, I have had a Helix and an original tuf neck side by side,
The hardware was available to buy separately from tuf neck so these parts are probably original to tuf neck.
The helix has a better quality grade aluminium and is more accurate than the original.
If I made a tuf neck square stem BITD, it would have been a good effort but in my opinion a balls up, especially after cutting the angles wrong on the 3 flats on the back, i've seen good ones and bad ones.
Engineering has come a long way in 30 years, some of these machines now are amazing, some of the original tuf necks to me look a bit homemade with the only tools being a hacksaw and a file

dinglem · « **Reply #95 on:** September 18, 2014, 12:41 PM »

^^ this is all a bit of a shame....

I've not been posting on RAD very long so have been quite surprised at a few of the posts in recent weeks. Lots of personal stuff being written that is probably best said via PM or to faces, as entertaining as it may be for everybody else to read....

Anyway... back to fakes. What can you do? I guess as prices ''boom'' or whatever you wish to call it then this will happen more and more. The re-issue Burners, Skyways and so on would mean absolutely nothing to me and i could never justify buying one. Again, each to their own. Buying the parts you have been hunting for for years is a real thrill, and finding them in NOS condition is even better, but you do sometimes have to wonder where all of this ''NOS'' stock is coming from. I imagine it would be better to buy items in survivor condition with 30+years of battle-scars to prove age and authenticity and then restore said items yourself to the spec you wish.

I've always like UNI Hand Grenade grips, but was gutted to find out the II's had been re-manufactured as I could never bring myself to buy a pair as there was always a risk they were re-issues. It's not the desire to have things others haven't, it is just what I want to do in this hobby, and buying new stuff off the shelf isn't it. I restore classic cars as another hobby and that is exactly the same for me. In my head i would know something on a car wasn't right, even if to 99.9% of people looking at it, it looks genuine. Re-issues taint the OG items in my mind; whilst i have Bear Traps and B1B's in my stash i would never buy any more now they can be found new.

I eventually went for a pair of Hand Grenade I's in the hope that it is only the second generations that have been re-manufactured - i've read that the original tooling was modified to make the II's so the first generation can't be remade easily), and i also made sure the pair I bought still had the original box (albeit a bit battered) and came with the original glue packet, bar-end discs and so on. Even then, they could be fake grips with a new box, but in my head, they're fine. I'm happier to pay over the odds for something like that because i don't sell anything on, and i am just collecting for myself.

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I'm pretty new to the game I suppose, but i am just buying the items that I like and that to the best of my ability I can convince myself are the real deal. If that's what makes me happy then that's good enough for me. It''s a shame that there are people out there trying to use the genuine interest of others to make a profit out of fake (or reproduction dressed as OG) items. I do a lot of research before i buy things, and that in itself is very much a part of this hobby for me.

I'd like to think I know the difference between real and fake, but others on here know a lot more than i do

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