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New School BMX 2004 - Now => New School Park, Street & Dirt => Topic started by: Bettyswallocks on December 30, 2008, 10:19 PM
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Not mine one of the locals at interact did this tonight, only had it a month...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/Photo-0430.jpg)
Look close... oops... :(
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/Photo-0429.jpg)
Hard to see in the pic but the crack goes right into the weld... do they/dont they break?... thats the first one ive seen
Apologies for the cack phone pics... :(
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Mark have you been tonight :knuppel2:
And I hope he sent his warranty card in , because if he didnt then no guarantee.
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Yeah dude, was gonna pm you but you werent online, was a last minute decesion to go.... sorry dude... :-[
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Whens it shutting for good mark, I heard January as the landlord now has a buyer ???
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Oh dear, was surprised that these frames have been so popular when no one actually knew if they were up to it but i think peeps looked at the weight and nothing else.
I recognise that bike and the rider is just a small kid who rides pretty smooth.
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perhaps they need to redesign the front gussett like on the sunday
as that comes down further onto the headtube less stress there then
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all the sub 4LB frames will have issues at somepoint if ridden well
even seen a fit aitken loose its complete headstock ,its gonna happen.
talking to a few lads at a local shop ..good riders and they said they rode to hard to buy a uk frame
so at least they aint buying just for the weight thing they know they are mental.
one did buy one for a mini ramp /low vert ride and no issues.
and im pleased to punch with mine.
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also saying that dan cressey as broke two headstocks of fbm's
and they tuff as old boots lol .depends if they was doin disasters as thats alot of stress on the head tube
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Whens it shutting for good mark, I heard January as the landlord now has a buyer ???
Nowt deffo yet but i've also heard the end of January, they're just waiting for planning permission to change its use... :(
Oh dear, was surprised that these frames have been so popular when no one actually knew if they were up to it but i think peeps looked at the weight and nothing else.
I recognise that bike and the rider is just a small kid who rides pretty smooth.
Right bike dude... :daumenhoch:
He's 15 and about 6 stone wet through... including the bike... lol
Doesnt know how it broke happened to notice when he had the bike upside down... :-\
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what make is it?
Unknown Revolution
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If it was any other make, would any one be that bothered... don't think so ::)
Big deal, bikes break...
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If it was any other make, would any one be that bothered... don't think so ::)
Big deal, bikes break...
what a terrible comment.
its ok now we're all working adults who can afford the parts we want to run. but what if this kid got this frame for a birthday gift or worked a paper run for 12 months to buy it?
not everyone can fork out cash for a new frame 'just like that', and more importantly, what if it snapped whilst riding and the poor kid got seriously injured? would you be happy for a child of yours to be riding it?
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If it was any other make, would any one be that bothered... don't think so ::)
Big deal, bikes break...
what a terrible comment.
its ok now we're all working adults who can afford the parts we want to run. but what if this kid got this frame for a birthday gift or worked a paper run for 12 months to buy it?
not everyone can fork out cash for a new frame 'just like that', and more importantly, what if it snapped whilst riding and the poor kid got seriously injured? would you be happy for a child of yours to be riding it?
they have a lifetime warranty so he'll get a new one. :daumenhoch:
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yeah awesome, and how long will the new one last?
i'd be riding full of confidence thinking my new frame would only last a few weeks.
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If it was any other make, would any one be that bothered... don't think so ::)
Big deal, bikes break...
what a terrible comment.
its ok now we're all working adults who can afford the parts we want to run. but what if this kid got this frame for a birthday gift or worked a paper run for 12 months to buy it?
not everyone can fork out cash for a new frame 'just like that', and more importantly, what if it snapped whilst riding and the poor kid got seriously injured? would you be happy for a child of yours to be riding it?
they have a lifetime warranty so he'll get a new one. :daumenhoch:
i think what he's getting at joe is some poor lad might get seriously injured from a frame snapping, any frame! getting a free frame won't compensate getting your face mashed up. then could you ever trust the replacement?! if there's a replacement left in the country to be given.
and the 'big deal', especially on here is because dibly is a member on here so most have followed the work closely, if a marketing strategy is based on weight, then when things go wrong there's going to be repercussions and criticism. he's heading in the right direction though strengthening the frames, i think maybe more testing should have been done before releasing frames to the public so quickly and cosequently that may put some poor lads life at risk!
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Always going to be a contentious issue, this one. Firm pops up out of nowhere, claims allsorts, and then actually goes on to release stuff for sale, where so many firms in the past have barely got past a sticker and a t shirt...
Personally, I'm not a fan.
But that might just be because I'm a cynical old bastard. Give or take a few ounces, I think frames need to be 5lb. My soon to be new bike (a LTF) weighs in a little under 5lb, but I'm prepared to take the risk riding it because a) I trust the brand, b) I hear good things about them, c) I'm not that burly a rider.
Time will tell...
In the meantime, my gut feeling is that these Unknown bikes will evolve and develope and end up around 4.5 lbs and fairly reliable. Assuming the firm lasts that long.
For the record, Paul Meacher is so smooth I'm not surprised in the slightest that he's getting on with his bike.
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For the record, Paul Meacher is so smooth I'm not surprised in the slightest that he's getting on with his bike.
amen to that! :daumenhoch:
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One things for sure they have sold a lot of these frames, not sure if its the weight thing or not but it seems every kid at the skatepark wanted or was getting one.
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Yeah, it's the weight thing. Nothing else.
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Yeah, it's the weight thing. Nothing else.
Yes agree, thats the reason I got one :-\
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If it was any other make, would any one be that bothered... don't think so ::)
Big deal, bikes break...
Fair point... If it was any other make i prob wouldnt have took pics and posted them up, but theres been a lot of discussion on this and other forums about how strong these frames are gonna be being so light... ::)
I'd be gutted if i bought one and it broke after a month... :(
The shop that supplied it have a replacement in stock and will swap but the lads lost confidence and wants a differant brand frame
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If it was any other make, would any one be that bothered... don't think so ::)
Big deal, bikes break...
Fair point... If it was any other make i prob wouldnt have took pics and posted them up, but theres been a lot of discussion on this and other forums about how strong these frames are gonna be being so light... ::)
I'd be gutted if i bought one and it broke after a month... :(
The shop that supplied it have a replacement in stock and will swap but the lads lost confidence and wants a differant brand frame
Mark do you fancy selling your Liam's then ???
£ 50 ????
subject to checking over of course ::)
:LolLolLolLol: ;)
I honestly wouldn't be concerned about these ,as its the first I've seen break
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I'm not a frame builder, but the crack is in the weld is it not?
so that might well not be related to the weight which is achieved I believe with the thinner specially heat treated tubes.
the tube hasn't broken or bent or cracked has it, it's the weld, i know that doesn't help the rider, but the issue might not lie with the light weightness and might just be one bad/weak weld.
so far the failure rate is no worse or better than any other frame, there's nothing to say if the kid had been riding a 5lb plus frame that the same crack might not have appeared.
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Good point Joe it's not like its down to the strength or quality of tubes
I don't know a lot about welding but is it possible to get a weak line of weld where it could be hollowish due to , too much gas being used :-\
If I'm talking bollox , I'll shut the door behind me fellas ;D
Lifetime warranty is a good reassurance of confidence really :)
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We make weld testers to test for corrosion!!
You get any 2 metals and weld them together and you could get problems.
The 2 metals are heated (Heat affected zone) which as you guess effects the metal.
The weld could have micro cracks and bubbles and all sorts of thing wrong with it to make it less strong than a normal weld.
Or the two parts of the frame weren't heated sufficiently to hold the weld (or too much to make it weaker)!!
Hopefully dibly will get the cracked frame and check it out!!
Then he can source the reason for the failure!!
It could just be a quality control issue and it slipped through the net!
or just down to plain old bad luck!!
If its welded by computer on an assembly line then you'd expect all the welds to be of similar quality.
If its welded by hand then the quality could vary a lot!!
Some welders are better than others and welding is a bit of an art form!! :daumenhoch:
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Just my opinion but could have happened from it being thrown or just crashed really badly? Only the owner will really know, I know ANY frame can crack or break at the headtube (seen so many) but as mentioned if the guy was happy with it then there should be no problems with getting a replacement.
Mine has been completly fine and I cant fault it, cheers for the smooth comments by the way ;)
Cheers
Paul
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Everything that I`ve ever broken, and thats a fair few bits, is because I`ve chucked the bike when I feel I`m out of control, thats when the bike gets stressed in places it wouldn`t through riding alone.
I`ve got an Evolution and I`m well pleased with it, and I`m pleased that Dibly has done well because he`s a top bloke imo :daumenhoch:
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yeah gotta agree with paul and bill on this one, paul is a super smooth rider but a couple of weeks back
i was on the top of the vert at corby, a 14ft vert, i was filming paul when he missed his trick and dropped to
almost flat bottom, so he was roughly 8ft out plus the 14ft so that's a 22ft drop, no probs with the frame at all,
any part will break, profile cranks are the worry for me and that's profile, the biggest name out there :daumenhoch:
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Dibly has done the correct testing and used all sorts of techniques to check the welds and tubing (such as xray etc, etc)
He had problems with his prototype frames but then again thats what a prototype is for!!
He's made the changes to his full production model and it looks to be going alright!! :daumenhoch:
If you want a bike that will never break under any circumstances then it would probably look like a steam roller and you wouldn't be able to pedal it!!
.................And you could still push it over a cliff and it would be fooked!!
Everything breaks, its a fact of life!!
This lad might be upset it broke sooner rather than later. But luck plays a big part in all our lifes!!
Hopefully his replacement will last him a lot longer!! :daumenhoch:
Do 'proper' riders check their rides often?
I'd also be interested to know if Dibly does any checks on frames that are returned and what his findings are!! ???
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yeah gotta agree with paul and bill on this one, paul is a super smooth rider but a couple of weeks back
i was on the top of the vert at corby, a 14ft vert, i was filming paul when he missed his trick and dropped to
almost flat bottom, so he was roughly 8ft out plus the 14ft so that's a 22ft drop, no probs with the frame at all,
any part will break, profile cranks are the worry for me and that's profile, the biggest name out there :daumenhoch:
profile do seem to be making some shite
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From what ive been hearing, Mark Webb is breaking them for fun on a weekly basis.
The way i see it, people like S&M, Standard, T1 etc etc have been building frames and developing techniques over a very long period of time.
And if they have come to the conclusion that 5lb is about as light as you can go without compromising strength then i am inclined to agree with them.
And to be honest, how light does a bike really need to be, my Proper is around the 26lb mark (with a frnt brake and Heavy forks) and thats plenty light enough for me.
My frame weighs about 5.6lb, for the sake of a pound i would rather have confidence in what i am riding thanks.
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I cant understand the huge emphasis on a frames weight when theres so little between them, you can save the excess weight of a frame by changing your tyres or other components if weights a big issue.
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The main reason weight has become an issue to me now is because my back is so fooked I just can't throw a heavy bike round like I used to be able to. So if I was a sisters jeans wearing super fit whippet like most of them are, it wouldn't matter to me. But as I am now then the lighter the better. I'm also not going to be riding mega hard these days so I tend not to worry about the strength too much as long as I'm happy with it.
However....the other point to consider is things do brake, they always have done! We've all snapped cranks, frames, wheels etc. They're not indestructible, even the beefy mid school stuff broke occasionally. Think of the hammer these things take. Not just through riding but when slamming, that's the worst.
I think it's been said already but had this been another manufacturers frame would this post even be running??
Just my ten bobs worth!
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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Lifetime warranty is a good reassurance of confidence really :)
what a lot of flannel.
honestly, anyone who judges a product by the guarantee offered is a complete MUG.
i'm bringing out forks made from tinfoil next week, but they have a lifetime guarantee, who's gonna buy a set?
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Lifetime warranty is a good reassurance of confidence really :)
what a lot of flannel.
honestly, anyone who judges a product by the guarantee offered is a complete MUG.
i'm bringing out forks made from tinfoil next week, but they have a lifetime guarantee, who's gonna buy a set?
yep really good point, i would love to see didbly give his reply to all these posts, i for one really want didly to sort these
problems out and have a succesfull bmx brand, i've seen most of his products and they look so kool and all the riders i know
who own his products have had no probs at all, how many big companys have had to recall products, it's in the papers quite a lot lately,
i strongly believe that ukbikeco is the future once the teething problems are sorted :daumenhoch:
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Gordon, will these be solid or tubular tin foil forks? Either way I'll order 2 sets!
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Lifetime warranty is a good reassurance of confidence really :)
what a lot of flannel.
honestly, anyone who judges a product by the guarantee offered is a complete MUG.
i'm bringing out forks made from tinfoil next week, but they have a lifetime guarantee, who's gonna buy a set?
Hey sorry dude :) :angel:
Just backing up for a good guy ( Dibly), who isn't here yet :angel:
Lifetime has got to be better than 12 months manufactures warranty ,,,no ? :)
If a product is TOTALLY new , then surely NO- ONE knows the longevity or reliability of any said product ,,, clued up people like yourself and mugs included :)
Yeah generally ,guarantees cover you for normal use and not for thrashing
So if it's a manufacturers fault , you're covered . :)
I buy products , if they tick all the boxes I want from a product ,, the guarantee bit is just an extra bonus , I suppose ;)
I don't usually buy the latest thing out , alot of the time I buy through recommendation from others i.e tried and tested
due to not wanting to look like a right MUG ;D
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Warrantys mean nothing in my experience, i have attempted to claim under warranty on shed loads of MTB parts but when you read the small print theres disclaimers all over it, not to be used for stunt riding, jumping, off road etc. what are MTB's for FFS was always my argument you dont see much tarmac up a mountain.
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If a product is TOTALLY new , then surely NO- ONE knows the longevity or reliability of any said product ,,, clued up people like yourself and mugs included :)
and thats what prototyping is for.
i sincerely wish mr dibbly all the best with his company, and i'm sure he'll get over these teething probs.
i just get so angry when people believe everything they read on the internet.
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Right, is it me or are we talking about one frame that has cracked and judging a brand by it.
Now new school aint my thing, but bikes are. You can crack snap ding any bike in the world regardless of how much you weigh, its how you treat it that causes damage. If there are many cases of UKBIKE frames being suspect then maybe a thread questioning the brand would be justified, but if im reading this right one bike ???.
I snapped a alloy perimeter frame on a 97 honda 125, i was sure it wouldnt have happened on a steel cage frame, I was wrong and they have went on to change the mx industry's thinking on mx frames.
Give UK Bike a break ffs, until their is at least any evidence they are truly suspect. Dibly has got it right, lifetime guarantee is confidence, seems like typical brand bashing for no other reason than new kid on the block syndrome :idiot2:
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Right, is it me or are we talking about one frame that has cracked and judging a brand by it.
Now new school aint my thing, but bikes are. You can crack snap ding any bike in the world regardless of how much you weigh, its how you treat it that causes damage. If there are many cases of UKBIKE frames being suspect then maybe a thread questioning the brand would be justified, but if im reading this right one bike ???.
I snapped a alloy perimeter frame on a 97 honda 125, i was sure it wouldnt have happened on a steel cage frame, I was wrong and they have went on to change the mx industry's thinking on mx frames.
Give UK Bike a break ffs, until their is at least any evidence they are truly suspect. Dibly has got it right, lifetime guarantee is confidence, seems like typical brand bashing for no other reason than new kid on the block syndrome :idiot2:
you snapped a raleigh bomber in 89 ya big b,stard :LolLolLolLol:
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I personally think that the UK bikes are well made (Judging by bmxer4ever's) welds look sweet, frame is light, very well put together in my opinion. :daumenhoch:
How many frames have they sold ?
How many have you heard that have broke ?
BITD when Haro were the dogs bollocks how many Masters & Sports snapped at the seattube, but everybody still loved them and rode them !!!!
I think in the UK people just love to put the new guy down, I say give them a chance to prove themselves coz I think they have a great product which looks different to all the other frames on the market, It would have been easy for them to make a frame that looks & weighs the same as everybody elses does but I say WELL DONE GUYS for breaking the boring mold that everyone else is in.
This is also a British company that you should all be backing not slagging Give them a chance F F S.
:Great_Britain:UK Bikes :Great_Britain:
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I don't really wanna get too embroiled in this debate cos if I stick up for Dibly/UK Bikes, it'll look like I'm sticking up for another "industry guy" and if I say owt against him/UK Bikes it'll look like I'm dissing another company.
However, no bike is indestructible and most frames that break are a result of crash damage not "just riding" (though I accept crashing is part and parcel of riding).
People who buy these new wave light weight frames should do so with open eyes and accept that a sub-4lb frame is not going to be as durable or last as long as a 5lb frame. In the main, they'll be fine for most people as they probably don't shred as hard as they think they do (hence the "mines been fine" comments). But the real shredders (and the unlucky slammers) will eventually expire these light frames.
Who else has snapped/cracked a frame recently? What brand was it? I think if people are gonna point the finger at 1 broken UK Bike, it should be in perspective. Would the pic have been posted if it had been an S&M or Standard?
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Webby do you think Darren will speak to you next time he sees you :D
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Webby do you think Darren will speak to you next time he sees you :D
Probably not... :LolLolLolLol:
Although i dont see why not theres nowt personal on this thread.... I bought my son a UK Evolution frame and he's chuffed to bits with it, he's not put off in the slightest that one of his mates has broke his
I dont think people are gonna be selling their frames cos ive put pics up of one broken UK frame on one forum... :D
And they're still selling like hot cakes at the local bike shop
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He told me he thinks you smell of wee
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it isn't just one frame - I have seen 4 of the low versions of the frame all broken within a few weeks of getting them
its no good just coming out with light parts and getting people excited just for the stuff to break straight away
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it isn't just one frame - I have seen 4 of the low versions of the frame all broken within a few weeks of getting them
its no good just coming out with light parts and getting people excited just for the stuff to break straight away
I think it was Keith Bontrager who said "Cheap, strong, light. Choose two".
I'm not really into this "lightweight" arms race that most BMX companies seem to be involved in these days. When I design a frame the main thing is that it won't break easily and the weight is what it is.
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Hi sorry for my delay in getting to all you guys with this thread,
yes the frame has cracked and yes it is on the weld, it is most certainly covered by warranty and i gutted for the lad but he has new frame now
as also said in this thread it is not the tube that has broken it is on the weld, the guy from the shop who sold it has seen it and rang me up and said it was just a shit weld, i have sold in the UK and across Europe close to 1000 units and i have had 3 returned to me the one in this thread, one from germany with the brake bosses not straight and one from the netherlands with no thread in the seat clamp,
i was at probably the biggest bmx shop in the UK yesterday and they had 3 frames going back for inspection to other companies with cracks etc but there isnt a 4 page thread about them is there? strange
any way thanks for all your comments etc
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Sorted, we do seem to like brand bashing on here dont we :-[
I think that if you looked at the bike trade as a whole (or any other for that matter) you would be amazed at the amount of stuff that gets returned and doesn't generate any interest, it just gets replaced, I send stuff back to Shimano regularly, and not just their entry level kit either, the tried and tested stuff and you know what it gets replaced with the customer happy in 99.9% of cases cos it can and does happen. It is replaced quickly and normal service is resumed.
Dibly has responded in a proffessional way and with dignity, which is to be applauded given the way some have reacted in this thread.
:Great_Britain: :daumenhoch:
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Keep on plugging away Dibly!! :daumenhoch:
His gear is new but he'll win over the naysayers in the end!!
It's early days yet and his brand doesn't deserve the bashing it gets!!
Who's this streetjudge fella and can he back up his claims or is he just jumping on the brand bashing bandwagon? ???
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This thread is a total embarrassment, should have been binned from the off
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Fcuking hell lads.........
Whats with all this 'brand bashing nonsense'?
Every single brand so far as I'm aware has had breakages. And the reason I'm aware is because people talk about it. There is no brand bashing, just lots of chat about the new boy. Whats wrong with that?
I will guarantee you now, if it was another new companys frames that were breaking, there'd be a bloody great big thread all about it too.
Lets see now if we can name a brand that we've never heard of a breakage from. Freestyle bikes, obviously.
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i have sold in the UK and across Europe close to 1000 units
That's very impressive.
You've sold in 6 months what I've sold in 5 years.
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That can't be right - I see loads of your bikes out on the trails Mike. In fact I was admiring your Prince Albert last weekend!
Anyway - Fair play to Dibly for getting off his ass and making all his stuff - not sure there are many people who'd have the balls to do it!!! and hats off to those who do.
On a similar note, I recently had an issue with my MTB frame - weld went after 12 months of reasonable abuse - it was a similar brand in that it was UK born and based (although made in Taiwan) and they are a new comer taking on the heavy weight industry players.
I happily swapped it over for a new frame as I know mine was in the minority and there are so many frames out there being hit harder which are lasting a lot longer.
Looking on the bright side for Dibly I suppose all this publicity can't be a bad thing (Who was is that said "there is no such thing as bad publicity" - but don't say that to Angus Deyton) - great way of getting the name known quickly although to capitalise on it you'll have to prove to everyone the proof is in the pudding.
Good luck to you Dibly, hope it goes well.
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Honestly. Dialled Bikes has "only" sold between 800-900 frames since I started it in 2003. I'm still very proud to have sold that many though as I had no idea how successful the company would be when I started it and I still don't do a great deal to advertise or promote it. Any ads I have taken out have been more to support the mag than to advertise the products (e.g. Reinforced, 2024 and Fast Lane).
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All you Bike builders deserve better than the bashing you have seen on this thread, you are the real reason this sport goes on and on and kids still ride bikes. :4_17_5: :4_17_5:.
Street Judge, post with proof eh mate. I mean anyone can say anything without proof it means nothing. Dibly was a Radster who went on to do his dream, would trust his word all day long over a new poster without proof :)
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Familiarity breeds contempt.
Loads of people give mad props to people like Bob Haro, Chris Moeller, Rick Moliterno, etc (and rightly so) for having the vision and balls to set up their own bike companies.
But when it's someone closer to home, it sometimes gets dismissed as being less relevant or impressive.
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Familiarity breeds contempt.
Loads of people give mad props to people like Bob Haro, Chris Moeller, Rick Moliterno, etc (and rightly so) for having the vision and balls to set up their own bike companies.
But when it's someone closer to home, it sometimes gets dismissed as being less relevant or impressive.
That's just a UK mentality dude....success is often frowned upon in this country where as in the U.S. it's celebrated. It's just the way it is with many people, not sure why and this is not directed at anyone in particular, whether they've contributed to this post or not, but it just is.
As my old Nan used to say....Never knock a Man who tries and fails, only knock a Man who fails to try!
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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i just heard a local rider at our park snapped his uk frame last night.
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:LolLolLolLol: I love you Gordon.... you & timmins are the reason myself & remo loved bmx as much as we did bitd
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its just been confirmed, 3 weeks it lasted. :(
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There used to be a guy at my work who is well into Downhill MTB & BMX, he is 20 years old about 20 stone & I think his IQ was also about 20 :)
Now he would break whatever he rode after a few days/weeks, there is not a BMX frame he has not broken, some would last longer than others, but they all broke.
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F.F.S LET IT GO............BIKES BREAK..............PERIOD !!!!!!!!!! :tickedoff:
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i just heard a local rider at our park snapped his uk frame last night.
Just out of interest which frame was it? Evolution or Revolution?
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F.F.S LET IT GO............BIKES BREAK..............PERIOD !!!!!!!!!! :tickedoff:
Best thing that's been said on this thread dude!! :daumenhoch:
I said the same, thing sbreak, they're NOT indestructible, especially not with the hammer that they take!!
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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F.F.S LET IT GO............BIKES BREAK..............PERIOD !!!!!!!!!! :tickedoff:
Discussing things like this is just part of what these forums are here for ::)
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Lets see now if we can name a brand that we've never heard of a breakage from. Freestyle bikes, obviously.
Now that's a tough one! I can only come up with Zima (saying that Steve may have broken one of those!)
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F.F.S LET IT GO............BIKES BREAK..............PERIOD !!!!!!!!!! :tickedoff:
Discussing things like this is just part of what these forums are here for ::)
Maybe so Chris, but flinging mud that could stick aint. I mean read through this thread again and some of the posts are ridiculous :LolLolLolLol:, And Daz that quote is the dogs :daumenhoch:
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I totally agree about flinging mud, but thats not what I & most others do on here :daumenhoch:
I have one of these UK Bikes & all this "talk" has not put me off at all, I think they are great :coolsmiley:
Check it out.....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b366/claire169/IMG_3355.jpg)
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Looking good :coolsmiley:
Are you 7ft twelvety oneteen tall ???
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Yes the seat is a little high, I only got the post yesterday, don't like the stump one I had :(
I will lower it a bit :daumenhoch:
But just a bit ;)
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:LolLolLolLol:
Cool bike dude :daumenhoch:
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I totally agree about flinging mud, but thats not what I & most others do on here :daumenhoch:
I have one of these UK Bikes & all this "talk" has not put me off at all, I think they are great :coolsmiley:
Check it out.....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b366/claire169/IMG_3355.jpg)
Very nice dude, nice to see someone else sporting skinwall tyres too :daumenhoch:
Daz.
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i just heard a local rider at our park snapped his uk frame last night.
Just out of interest which frame was it? Evolution or Revolution?
its the really low slung one, so i guess its the revolution, not the same as that black one a few posts up.
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Discussing things like this is just part of what these forums are here for ::)
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Discussing yes i agree, but this was turning into a slagging match against a new bike company that should be supported not slagged, every bike has a lifetime guarentee and as far as i can see everyone is getting a replacement bike so why slag them off as i said before THINGS BREAK.
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i can't get over this attitude 'things break/lifetime guarantee' etc.
would you rather discuss it now, or after your frame snaps and you break your neck/jaw/shoulder/are paralysed?
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Lets see now if we can name a brand that we've never heard of a breakage from. Freestyle bikes, obviously.
Now that's a tough one! I can only come up with Zima (saying that Steve may have broken one of those!)
Good shout, can't say I've heard of a broken one of those either.
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Teamsano what bike frame would you recommend to buy then ? ???
If your saying these basically can't be trusted
What frame do you ride ?
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i can't get over this attitude 'things break/lifetime guarantee' etc.
would you rather discuss it now, or after your frame snaps and you break your neck/jaw/shoulder/are paralysed?
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Gogo from what I see your not discussing your just enjoying SLAGGIN Unknown Bikes !
S.
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Gogo from what I see your not discussing your just enjoying SLAGGIN Unknown Bikes !
I think Gogo's speaking the truth regardless of which bike company we're talking about, 3 weeks is a bit worrying don't you think?
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i can't get over this attitude 'things break/lifetime guarantee' etc.
would you rather discuss it now, or after your frame snaps and you break your neck/jaw/shoulder/are paralysed?
bang on gogo!
my concern since day one, and not day one of this thread, day one when we started testing!
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Discussing things like this is just part of what these forums are here for ::)
Discussing yes i agree, but this was turning into a slagging match against a new bike company that should be supported not slagged, every bike has a lifetime guarentee and as far as i can see everyone is getting a replacement bike so why slag them off as i said before THINGS BREAK.
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do you even ride?
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Teamsano what bike frame would you recommend to buy then ? ???
im not recommending anything to anyone. make your own mind up after trying some others, or hearing recommendations from friends.
Gogo from what I see your not discussing your just enjoying SLAGGIN Unknown Bikes !
S.
i'm only joining in the discussion, based on what i've seen and heard of these bikes. feel free to buy one stevie.
i wouldn't buy something that lasts 3 weeks.
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god i hate internet forums...
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god i hate internet forums...
Why?
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god i hate internet forums...
:LolLolLolLol:
Did someone force you to register and log on :D
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god i hate internet forums...
Why?
Forums are great. I wouldn't have been able to build dialled bikes to what it is today (not that it's that big or mighty, but quite a few people have heard of it and ride the bikes) as word of mouth has always been my best form of publicity. When the feedback is positive that's great, but when it's not so positive, you just have to take the rough with the smooth. It's not George Orwell's 1984 and you can't censor the negative stuff that's written. At least a forum gives the subject of the negative comments the opportunity to explain themselves. If some of this stuff had been written in Ride or Dig there would be no guaranteed right to reply.
I'm sure UK Bike Co will come out of this fine. They're a new company and there's bound to be some glitches along the way.
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Agree with you there Mike.
I always think that any feedback is positive even the negative is good as it allows you to get a feel for where to improve and develop!
In the old days companies would pay research companies fortunes to get information like what has been posted here.
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Exactly mate. UK Bike Co can take on board the negative stuff that's been written and decide whether they want to spend longer testing the next batch/future frames or throw a bit more metal at them. That's what I'd do anyway.
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ho ho just saw another one bite the dust!
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ho ho just saw another one bite the dust!
so you say....not seen any pics yet tho.........
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Is it just me or does it seem that some people "have it in" for UKBikeCo? So over the last few months has no frame from other manufacturers broken?
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Is it just me or does it seem that some people "have it in" for UKBikeCo? So over the last few months has no frame from other manufacturers broken?
there seems to be an issue, but any new company with huge weight savings over the established names is going to attract attention.
i keep hearing about these breaking however there's only been one picture of a crack along a weld, so it would seem there's a lot of smoke and no fire just now.
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It's true that people will haveten be critical of the new kid. I have been myself.
But
They do have a reputation thats developing in the wrong direction.
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Is it just me or does it seem that some people "have it in" for UKBikeCo? So over the last few months has no frame from other manufacturers broken?
not so many in such a short space of time, face it these frames are rubbish
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I disagree, and if so then where are all the pictures of these so called broken frames then?
Cheers
Paul
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Is it just me or does it seem that some people "have it in" for UKBikeCo? So over the last few months has no frame from other manufacturers broken?
not so many in such a short space of time, face it these frames are rubbish
Stop talking sh1te and show us some evidence. I get the impression you're just out to rubbish UK Bike Co's reputation for some reason - why?? You've not given us any reason to think that your comments have any substance.
So with this in mind I suggest you either put up or fooking shut up!!!
Daz.
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See there you go again Daz mincing your words and not getting straight to the point
Come on man spit it out and say what you think ;D
Are they all that blunt in Barnsley ?
,, oh it's just you then ;)
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See there you go again Daz mincing your words and not getting straight to the point
Come on man spit it out and say what you think ;D
Are they all that blunt in Barnsley ?
,, oh it's just you then ;)
:LolLolLolLol:
GET FOOKED :)
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You smooth talking charmer :D
;D
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thats what i like about new school, you dont get 7 pages of slagging and slating...... dibly, as my dad used to say...............................FOOK EM ALL :daumenhoch:
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Is it just me or does it seem that some people "have it in" for UKBikeCo? So over the last few months has no frame from other manufacturers broken?
not so many in such a short space of time, face it these frames are rubbish
you malicious, sad, bitter, twisted C*NT! get a life for fooks sakes ye turkey turd, whelk w@nkin, slug suckin, lizard lickin, amoeba ass fooker!
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you malicious, sad, bitter, twisted C*NT! get a life for fooks sakes ye turkey turd, whelk w@nkin, slug suckin, lizard lickin, amoeba ass fooker!
Streetjudge will get plenty of inter-species sex out of all that lot!! :daumenhoch:
Streetjudge who the fook are you!!
You turned up, you slagged Dibly, thats about it!!
Are you a RAD member with a chip on your shoulder against Dibly or what?
Whats your fookin' agenda?
Somebody check his IP.
You keep saying these frames break. Prove it!!
The next time your down your local skatepark and 4 of these frames break, take a fookin picture on your mobile!!
Tell us a bit about yourself.
What have you done in your life to make you so fookin special!! :idiot2:
Those that can, DO, Those that can't Streetjudge!! :LolLolLolLol:
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I know for a fact that this thread was not started to slate ukbikeco but simply to discuss a broken frame, the thread would have been started if it had been an S&M,Proper or any other topend frame.
Its a close knit group of riders at Interact where the kid who's frame it is rides and be assured the broken frame has not prevented kids buying them as today apart from three oldies virtually every bike was running a ukbikeco frame.
Its a fact that due to riders wanting lighter frames today obviously they are weaker than heavier frames from previous times.
I regret my own post in this thread as I seen the kids replacement frame today and the chain and seat stays are destroyed on the drive side with dents so his giving the frame much more abuse than I initially thought, and his not had it long.
Its not difficult to see why some peeps are gonna slate this company as bmx shops are having to sell off their frame stock at a greatly reduced price as the only frames which are selling are ukbikeco.
Its fair to say that ukbikeco frames are not gonna float the boat of the majority of us oldies myself included but for a uk company to come into the sport of bmx and clean up the frame market is a huge achievement and we should be proud of it.
Bettyswallocks who started this thread has unfairly had a load of crap thrown at him but I think any of us would have done the same I know I would have thats the very type of issue that should be debated on a bmx forum.
He's hardly anti ukbikeco he bought he's son one for fooks sake and he doesn't just bitch on bmx forum's he actualy rides (much more than most of us) and he's a top bloke to boot.
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a well rounded statement :daumenhoch:
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a well rounded statement :daumenhoch:
:daumenhoch:
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Bettyswallocks who started this thread has unfairly had a load of crap thrown at him but I think any of us would have done the same I know I would have thats the very type of issue that should be debated on a bmx forum.
He's hardly anti ukbikeco he bought he's son one for fooks sake and he doesn't just bitch on bmx forum's he actualy rides (much more than most of us) and he's a top bloke to boot.
I agree although it may be too late to call the "hit" off now
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A mirraco limeted edition frame snapped at creation a few weeks back.
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you malicious, sad, bitter, twisted C*NT! get a life for fooks sakes ye turkey turd, whelk w@nkin, slug suckin, lizard lickin, amoeba ass fooker!
Streetjudge will get plenty of inter-species sex out of all that lot!! :daumenhoch:
Streetjudge who the fook are you!!
You turned up, you slagged Dibly, thats about it!!
Are you a RAD member with a chip on your shoulder against Dibly or what?
Whats your fookin' agenda?
Somebody check his IP.
You keep saying these frames break. Prove it!!
The next time your down your local skatepark and 4 of these frames break, take a fookin picture on your mobile!!
Tell us a bit about yourself.
What have you done in your life to make you so fookin special!! :idiot2:
Those that can, DO, Those that can't Streetjudge!! :LolLolLolLol:
Well he does share an IP address with another member, however thats not to say it`s the same person as IP addresses can change/be shared amongst members, however that other member does have something to do with the bmx industry, so perhaps it`s time for Streetjudge to `come out` as such and then we could judge for ourselves whether it`s genuine concern or just an assassination of a brand through jelously of how well they are selling ?
:daumenhoch:
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Start a book Bill I'd deffo have a punt.
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bring on the trumpets.
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Well he does share an IP address with another member, however thats not to say it`s the same person as IP addresses can change/be shared amongst members, however that other member does have something to do with the bmx industry.....................
Coincidence!!!
I think not!!
Throw him to the lions!!
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i wonder if this thread was about a bike from a big player in the industry if there'd be so many people quick to slag off those criticising.
i mean, i don't see all these people standing up for Raleigh when Burners get a slagging.
criticism is good, it should however be constructive.
I think streetjudge should show some proof if he's seen all these frames broken
if i see a pic i can see the frame is broken, if it's just hearsay then i'll treat it with caution.
however I don't believe the stats i hear from unknown either but then they're not exactly gonna say "oh yeah we get one a week back busted"
I'm guessing Dibly's bosses at Momentum or Avocet or whoever think he's doing a splendid job so good luck to him.
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my comment was aimed at streetjudge's vendetta approach and not towards bettyswollocks for starting the thread
may i also opolagize to any moloscs, cold blooded or single cell organisms which may have been offended, with the exception of streetjudge :D
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I bet that if I rode a UK bike I wouldn't break it in a lifetime. Unless I abused it or tried to break it. I bet I can break any frame if I abused it or try to break it.
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are you aloud to name and shame bill? or would that contravene data protection act!
i think we're all dying to know who streetjudge is or do we have to get him/her to come out of the closet on their own.
i'd like to know what this persons credentials are! i'm never gonna be a fan of ukframes due to some history and i've given technical reasons as to why in the past. and that is where they'll stay! but even i don't rate someone giving slander without backing it up!
on the other side of the coin, neither do i respect someones opinion (and i sincerely mean no offence to anyone on here, though it may) who can only wobble around a park on one, to give a true opinion surely you must be capable of using the frame for its intended purpose! or maybe just because you come from up north where dibly's based
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are you aloud to name and shame bill? or would that contravene data protection act!
Don't think Data Protection Act applies to an IP address as it doesn't constitute "personal data" or "senstive personal data" like a phone number, email address or home address.
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I'm guessing Dibly's bosses at Momentum or Avocet or whoever think he's doing a splendid job so good luck to him.
I thought Dibly previously worked at Coyote but left there to set up UK Bike Co.
Is UK Bike Co independent or a sub-brand of some bigger company (i.e. like Charge being owned by Hotwheels)?
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are you aloud to name and shame bill? or would that contravene data protection act!
i think we're all dying to know who streetjudge is or do we have to get him/her to come out of the closet on their own.
Well it`s not a definate thing Phil, like I said the fact that 2 people have posted from the same ip address doesn`t mean that it is the same person, or even the same computer so I could be completely wrong, however I`m sure Streetjudge will put us straight :daumenhoch:
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Blimey... the thread that refuses to die... :LolLolLolLol:
Maybe we can can find out who streetjudge is and have done with it?
The most popular bike at interact today?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/P1000583.jpg)
There was only about 12 in at its busiest today, any other skatepark that would be a line up of 30 of em
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I know for a fact that this thread was not started to slate ukbikeco but simply to discuss a broken frame, the thread would have been started if it had been an S&M,Proper or any other topend frame.
Its a close knit group of riders at Interact where the kid who's frame it is rides and be assured the broken frame has not prevented kids buying them as today apart from three oldies virtually every bike was running a ukbikeco frame.
Its a fact that due to riders wanting lighter frames today obviously they are weaker than heavier frames from previous times.
I regret my own post in this thread as I seen the kids replacement frame today and the chain and seat stays are destroyed on the drive side with dents so his giving the frame much more abuse than I initially thought, and his not had it long.
Its not difficult to see why some peeps are gonna slate this company as bmx shops are having to sell off their frame stock at a greatly reduced price as the only frames which are selling are ukbikeco.
Its fair to say that ukbikeco frames are not gonna float the boat of the majority of us oldies myself included but for a uk company to come into the sport of bmx and clean up the frame market is a huge achievement and we should be proud of it.
Bettyswallocks who started this thread has unfairly had a load of crap thrown at him but I think any of us would have done the same I know I would have thats the very type of issue that should be debated on a bmx forum.
He's hardly anti ukbikeco he bought he's son one for fooks sake and he doesn't just bitch on bmx forum's he actualy rides (much more than most of us) and he's a top bloke to boot.
Well said... Cheers dude... :daumenhoch:
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Well Said!! :daumenhoch:
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I'm guessing Dibly's bosses at Momentum or Avocet or whoever think he's doing a splendid job so good luck to him.
I thought Dibly previously worked at Coyote but left there to set up UK Bike Co.
Is UK Bike Co independent or a sub-brand of some bigger company (i.e. like Charge being owned by Hotwheels)?
well who know's eh?
but my money would be on a sub brand of a bigger company.
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NOTHING IS INDESTRUCTABLE!
i've seen every bike brand known to man (bmx wise) break. seen richard brown snap the headtube clean off an S& M dirtbike back in the 90's, seen standards bend and snap, haro's everyone has eventually broke, ta's cracked, gt's fold up. it's a bike and the more abuse you chuck at it the weaker it will become. the fact that the big influence of weight is the factor that will steer people to buy it. the more people are buying one specific brand then over time more will break as they are being used by the majority of riders. the weight thing will eventually die off and hopefully bikes will stick around the 5lb mark which is still plenty light but the strength will be more a focus matter. like with uk bike co it is the new kid on the block, yep its lite but IF that many are coming back i'm sure they are looking at matters to increase the strength. the mags i'm sure would pick up on this which so far hasn't been the case. every rider is different- so many factors to take in - weight of rider, rider capabilities, type of riding done (concrete, park, trails, etc). tricks are getting bigger so more strain involved there.
a mate recently twisted an S & M Laf on a fuf on a fence when he hung up. its lite because thats wot peeps want but the strength ain't gonna be there like it would be on a 5/6 lb frame. more poundage on the frame and lighter parts will see bmx through- my opinion anyway. we don't need bikes too lite- its getting like mtb's many,many years ago.....
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talking of laf's scott that rides rom an charlton snapped the headtube of his one he now has a ltf lol
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what was the question again ?
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what was the question again ?
it was....
is your bro really in Marillion?
and are you healing up now vertman? :daumenhoch:
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NOTHING IS INDESTRUCTABLE!
I said this on the first or seconds page I think Denny!
We've all seen things break or broken things ourselves, it comes with the sport I'm afraid!
I agree with this post as any feedback good or bad is helpful. I also agree with Macky in that Mark would still have put this up had it have been ANY other frame. Your point about the magazines is a very valid point Denny, if there really is SO many breaking then why hasn't the media raised it. My beef is with Streetpr1ck! It's obvious he's got it in for Darren, plain and simple! And I don't like the manner in which he's doing it. The guy's a c0ck! If he gives us proof then fair enough but just saying it is bollox!
My next point is with something that Phil mentioned, about us sticking up for him because it's he's a "northerner". Firstly, I've never met the fella and secondly I certainly didn't know he's from "up north". I was also a bit pi$$ed off about the comments regarding not being able to use the bike for it's "intended purpose". So therefore not being in a position to pass a critical comment. That's nonsense, my old fella has never been on a BMX in his life but he was a brilliant design engineer. He understands more about welding, metal tension, materials to use, stress fractures than most of us. So you're saying he couldn't pass comment on it just because he doesn't ride?? You also need to remember dude that some of us, me included, are a damn site older than you are. Also, physically, like others, have had my fair share of problems. You have to remember that! Just because we don't all do it now doesn't mean we never did.
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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Well Streetjudge was online earlier but has decided not to reply to this thread, still you can always visit his myspace page here :
http://www.myspace.com/streetjudge
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Your point about the magazines is a very valid point Denny, if there really is SO many breaking then why hasn't the media raised it.
I've read a lot of bike magazines since 1980 and never seen a magazine point out that a particular brand is prone to failing.
Didn't the early Federal's have a head tube flaring problem with led to some dealers nicknaming them "Flarederal"? Never saw that in Dig or Ride.
Cannondales are also known by a lot of MTB'ers a "Crack'n'fail", but again, never seen the MTB mags pick up on this.
It's usually word of mouth between riders which spreads rumours about whether a product is good or not.
Never hear of S&Ms or Standards snapping but I guess that's because the owners of those bikes are fans of the brand and don't spread bad press and the haters don't latch on to those failing because they're "established".
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Phil's got every right to comment on Dibly's frames because he's ridden them!
But Streetjudge just slagged them and now it seems there was another motive behind his comments.
I stick up for Dibly because he's getting off his arse and doing something. Not because he's a Northerner!!
If Streetjudge shows any proof of his claims or even shows that he bought one of these frames then I would respect his views!
My views on these frames are neutral. I dont have any!!
But I still wish Dibly success, the same as I wish success for any UK Manufacturer!! :daumenhoch:
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Well Streetjudge was online earlier but has decided not to reply to this thread, still you can always visit his myspace page here :
http://www.myspace.com/streetjudge
I have seen a few of these frames (Revolutions) broken but dont have any photos however i will try and get some
I just think its a shame when I see riders at my local park buying a new frame and it lasting for a few weeks
I do agree that frames break but i'd expect one to last for longer than that, i originally came on this board after seeing a few riders in dundee with broken frames
I have ridden the revolution and think it feels very flexie so i'm not surprised they break so easily. maybe it was a bad batch, who knows? I havent even seen an Evolution frame
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Well Streetjudge was online earlier but has decided not to reply to this thread, still you can always visit his myspace page here :
http://www.myspace.com/streetjudge
I have seen a few of these frames (Revolutions) broken but dont have any photos however i will try and get some
I just think its a shame when I see riders at my local park buying a new frame and it lasting for a few weeks
I do agree that frames break but i'd expect one to last for longer than that, i originally came on this board after seeing a few riders in dundee with broken frames
I have ridden the revolution and think it feels very flexie so i'm not surprised they break so easily. maybe it was a bad batch, who knows? I havent even seen an Evolution frame
Well that's about as fooking conclusive as anything you've ALREADY said!
So firstly you only came on the forum to tell us about some broken frames. No other reason....nothing more to add to the forum than slagging off a brand. You're probably best moving on then dude as if that's about the total sum of your contribution then I for one don't want you as a member. Also if it's only been the Revolution frames you've seen probelms with, you're not exactly in a position to give a blanket opinion over a complete brand. Which is what you've done!
Just remember one thing....if this all goes pair shaped for Dibly and I genuinely hope it DOESN'T....."Never knock a man who tries and fails, only knock a man who fails to try!" Think about that while you're working in Halfords!
Daz.
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fair enough, I was just voicing my opinion about a frame that breaks
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fair enough, I was just voicing my opinion about a frame that breaks
It was the manner in which you did it!!
We're all entitled to our opinions but people respect them more if they're backed up with hard evidence and done in a polite way. All you've done is just be derogatory to the brand and the person which is hardly fair! Show some respect to someone who is working very hard and having a go.
Daz.
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fair enough, I was just voicing my opinion about a frame that breaks
Was you, then where`s the evidence then, how many could you have seen at your local park in Glasgow for you to have any opinion on the whole brand ?
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Sorry mate but your full of shit, feels flexy? My arse do they, you prob aint even ridden one, prob scared to incase it "breaks"....
Show some pics of these "few" frames you've seen break then you may have some kind of arguement, but even then they could have just been ghost ridden, thrown, etc........
My frames the bollocks and I love it, its a Ukbike Co Evoloution by the way.
Cheers
Paul
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Sorry mate but your full of shit, feels flexy? My arse do they, you prob aint even ridden one, prob scared to incase it "breaks"....
Show some pics of these "few" frames you've seen break then you may have some kind of arguement, but even then they could have just been ghost ridden, thrown, etc........
My frames the bollocks and I love it, its a Ukbike Co Evoloution by the way.
Cheers
Paul
and fook can he ride it!! :daumenhoch:
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Sorry mate but your full of shit, feels flexy? My arse do they, you prob aint even ridden one, prob scared to incase it "breaks"....
Show some pics of these "few" frames you've seen break then you may have some kind of arguement, but even then they could have just been ghost ridden, thrown, etc........
My frames the bollocks and I love it, its a Ukbike Co Evoloution by the way.
Cheers
Paul
and fook can he ride it!! :daumenhoch:
I'll second that!!!
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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i've not been on here in ages, this thread has certainly gathered legs! :D
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Bad reputations are very easy to gain yet quite hard to shake. As Mike says Cannondale does, by some, have a reputation of cracking but in all my years riding them and abusing them a lot I've never come close to cracking one and I've had 4, and still have 3 of them parked in the garage.
It's most likely through misuse that these frames have had an issue rather than through normal riding..
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flatcap me old fruit, didn't mean to offend, just seemed a lot of northern guys sticking up there. the other comment about passing judgement, i'm aware you all used to ride, we've all been riding since the 80's, and yeah we all know about bikes. my point is some people are passing judgement that they have these frames and saying they are strong as fook, when all they do on it is roll from deck to deck, hardly a realistic judgement on a frame designed to be whipped and flipped.
this streetjudge has lost any credit with me (not that he had any) by saying they are flexy. i had a flex problem with my backend eventually! which is why i stopped riding it. but like paul has said they are stiff as fook to ride, mine felt ace when i first had it, from the cracking that i've seen on most of the frames, particularly the prototypes, as i've not had much to do with the production models. the main issue (i work with metal so this is my territory) from my opinion is the heat treating making the frame brittle, hence the cracks, the more metal hardens the more brittle it will become, yes it should be stronger and allow the use of thinner gauge tubing thus giving a lighter frame. a bike frame needs to have a certain amount of flex in it, maybe its the lack of flex in the front ends that are making them snap. but from what i've seen of the production models dibly is gusseting the front ends and internally around the strawberry seatclamp area and i'm sure it will progress and the teething problems will be resolved, my only hope is no-one gets seriously injured during this process.
i hope that reads as though i'm saying uk frames will hopefully come good in the end, thats how its intended anyway, yes i know theres some negatives in there but i would like to see a full english company succeed. the last english frame i liked was the hidden nation frames but unfortunately he couldn't supply the demand
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Some good points Phil!!
Its still early days yet as a brand!!
If it were easy doing a super light frame then everyone would be doing it!!
Hopefully the prototypes showed all the areas where improvements were needed!!
And they'll be modifications as the brand develops over time!!
You can test something for as long as you like...........The real test is giving it to the public. Those fookers will always think up new ways to abuse it!!
I think Dibly has done a great job in such a short space of time!! :daumenhoch:
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Phil....thanks for your reply dude, much appreciated! :daumenhoch:
Some good point too, maybe with your knowledge you could help Dibly resolve the problems and in turn help UK Bike Co succeed.
Just a thought mate. ;)
I have a funny feeling a certain Scottish company could be behind this brand lambasting! Or is it just me??
Daz.
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The term 'Strawberry seatclamp' makes me feel angry.
Keep gayness out of BMX!
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The term 'Strawberry seatclamp' makes me feel angry.
Keep gayness out of BMX!
'Hi Pot, it's Kettle here'
'Oh hi kettle, how are you?'
I'm fine Pot.......the colours black by the way, just thought I'd let you know.....'
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i've not been on here in ages, this thread has certainly gathered legs! :D
You're not kidding!
It's all got a bit heated!
G
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I have a funny feeling a certain Scottish company could be behind this brand lambasting! Or is it just me??
Daz.
be careful.
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I have a funny feeling a certain Scottish company could be behind this brand lambasting! Or is it just me??
Daz.
be careful.
Goags - Told you it was getting heated....
Daz - doubt it mate.....
'Nuff said
G
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I have a funny feeling a certain Scottish company could be behind this brand lambasting! Or is it just me??
Daz.
be careful.
Or you'll do what??
Is it coincidence that "Streetjudge" is Scottish, frequents a Glasgow skatepark?? I was mearly saying what was on my mind, which I'm completely etitled to do. If there's no connection then give reasons why, don't start with threats dude.
Explain....the floor is yours.
Daz.
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i'm not threatening anyone.
but i've got a good idea who this streetjudge dude is, and i don't think he's from glasgow.
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The term 'Strawberry seatclamp' makes me feel angry.
Keep gayness out of BMX!
'Hi Pot, it's Kettle here'
'Oh hi kettle, how are you?'
I'm fine Pot.......the colours black by the way, just thought I'd let you know.....'
Granted the 80's were plenty gay but there's nothing gay about the mid school!!
Transit vans full of sweaty young men travelling the country.......err.......
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i'm not threatening anyone.
but i've got a good idea who this streetjudge dude is, and i don't think he's from glasgow.
Sounded like a threat to me dude but if it wasn't then no worries.
However, if you have an idea who it is then spill the beans, get them outed!!!
Daz.
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well, i think i know of most folk in scotland who run bmx companies and you seemed to hint at one of these folk being streetjudge. (apologies to streetjudge if he does also.)
well, the streetjudge i'm thinking of is a big boy and i'm sure he'll come along and let you know who he is next time he gets online, this is going seriously off topic.
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well, i think i know of most folk in scotland who run bmx companies and you seemed to hint at one of these folk being streetjudge. (apologies to streetjudge if he does also.)
well, the streetjudge i'm thinking of is a big boy and i'm sure he'll come along and let you know who he is next time he gets online, this is going seriously off topic.
I'll look forward to it!
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The term 'Strawberry seatclamp' makes me feel angry.
Keep gayness out of BMX!
'Hi Pot, it's Kettle here'
'Oh hi kettle, how are you?'
I'm fine Pot.......the colours black by the way, just thought I'd let you know.....'
Granted the 80's were plenty gay but there's nothing gay about the mid school!!
Transit vans full of sweaty young men travelling the country.......err.......
Mmmm.........case rested.
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well, i think i know of most folk in scotland who run bmx companies and you seemed to hint at one of these folk being streetjudge. (apologies to streetjudge if he does also.)
well, the streetjudge i'm thinking of is a big boy and i'm sure he'll come along and let you know who he is next time he gets online, this is going seriously off topic.
You're not wrong there Goags.
Interesting though......I'm quite intrigued as to the young fella's identity myself now.
G
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his pic is in his avatar and on his myspace that Bill posted a link too.
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what was the question again ?
:2funny: think it was who's into crack on a night time or something like that.
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http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=171788&highlight=ukbikeco
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I have a funny feeling a certain Scottish company could be behind this brand lambasting! Or is it just me??
Daz.
be careful.
I hope I'm not getting dragged into this...
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I have a funny feeling a certain Scottish company could be behind this brand lambasting! Or is it just me??
Daz.
be careful.
I hope I'm not getting dragged into this...
Grant, like I said to Go Go, I was only saying what was on my mind. It was a logical thought due to the Scottish/Glasgow connection from Streetjudge. Now I never mentioned any names so therefore didn't imply that it was YOU or Go Go or anyone else for that matter. It could be someone trying to stir some sh1t up to make it look like it's you. After all, you are the self confessed Most hated man in BMX so on that basis you may have the odd enemy or two. ;)
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http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=171788&highlight=ukbikeco
well that's two then.
think the main problem here is they don't have a magical heat treating process, they just have thinner tubes.
and super smooth riders, probably light riders, will benefit from the frames, me, I'll stick with me Colony.
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I can honestly say that I really don't understand the anti-UKBikeco feeling that is going round on some forums. (I have to say that at this time I have no connection to the company or own any of their products - I am just someone who likes to see people getting the support we should provide to people that try)
Its like no one wants the new guy to succeed - I've seen companies launch bike frames and get the colour wrong and too much flex in the back end and next batch run they have sorted it out and the bike is awesome, being raved about in all the bike press and the negativity is all forgotten...
This is no different but the slating that UK Bike Co is getting is making out that they are not going to improve the frames over time or even try to. These guys I am sure are working their asses off to correct the problems and over time the frames may get stronger, heavier but give them a chance god damn it!!! Its far too early to dig their graves as I think they are on to something - some good old fashion British innovation - which just needs a bit of tweaking.
Some UKBikeCo frames have supposedly snapped, a lot of frames from various brands snap / crack - mine did recently and a mates did also - infact his was a £1500 MTB frame which was out of warranty and he's having to fork out £1200 for a replacement - less than full amount as he is working with them to improve the frame. Both of us are going to continue with them though as we have faith in them.
We just need a bit of faith that UK Bike Co will improve their frames - I'm sure they will as they are a business that wants to survive.
As they say "Time will tell"!!
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well, i think i know of most folk in scotland who run bmx companies and you seemed to hint at one of these folk being streetjudge. (apologies to streetjudge if he does also.)
well, the streetjudge i'm thinking of is a big boy and i'm sure he'll come along and let you know who he is next time he gets online, this is going seriously off topic.
i work in halfords as previosuly said in this thread
and i am a big boy! ;)
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I think some people are annoyed at the "secret new heat treating process claim", i think most of us can see through that, i mean, say that process was discovered and meant you could make tubes lighter and thinner but just as strong. just say it happened. and it was a fact. do you think the technology would be used on some new bmx company's first frames?
if people think that was bull sh1t from the off then they're naturally going to get a bit "anti"
if you base the initial product and hype on BS then I'm sorry, it's all downhill from there
if i turned up tomorrow and said I just happened upon this new technology, it's a super strong plastic, mega mega strong and ultra light, I'm going to start making BMX frames. I've got the patent to the tech and it;s going to be exclusively for my bmx frames, NASA and half a dozen F1 teams wanted the tech, but I was in the right place at the right time and now it's all mine so screw you NASA and McClaren. Then i claimed the new frames are going to weigh under 3lbs you'd all rip the p1ss out of me and tell me to get the f*** out of here wouldn't you?
I'm sure you would
and surely you've all got doubts about this revoloutionary tech? or is it just me.
however, I've still only seen 2 pics of broken frames.
is a streetjudge a bit like Judge Dredd but on a BMX not a Law Master?
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come on Bruce, it's a cracking read.
and this isn't anything compared to some threads on other forums, at least some of the posts here are constructive.
can't beat a good debate and a bit of a row and some name calling.
:daumenhoch:
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Every bmx forum in the land has a thread on this subject surely we are all entitled to discuss this subject on a bmx forum.
Market research companys dont stipulate that they will only accept positive feedback ffs.
The threads valid and the fact its bmx specific is a bonus.
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Every bmx forum in the land has a thread on this subject surely we are all entitled to discuss this subject on a bmx forum.
That seems to be true, so with the whole internet discussing these frames, and everybody in the world seeming to have either a camera or camera phone, there are only 2 pics of broken frames, so where`s the rest , there`s supposed to be dozens by all accounts ?
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I think this is a very good thread!
Debate is good, feedback, good or negative, is what he needs if he's to succeed. I have a lot of admiration for anyone who has taken it upon themselves to set up a company in an extremely competitive market place.
I'd love it if they all succeeded, that includes UK Bike Co, BSD, Proper etc. etc. I think Carlo (Proper) and Grant (BSD) have made some excellent products. Had I have not bought that Easter Bikes Grim Reaper (I got it cheap and it was chrome which I really wanted) I was considering a frame from the previously mention British companies, all three of them. As I've mentioned before, my beef was with Streetjudge's criticism, the manner in which it was done and with NO proof what so ever to back up his claims. I can't accept that in 2009 a kid who rides BMX doesn't have a phone capable of taken a photo to back up his claims.
This post will run for a long time I'm sure and like has already been said, most of the feedback on here is constructive. Unlike some of the post on other sites that have just been downright nasty.
I think my only disappointment with Dibly was he was a little naive in his testing, he SHOULD have done more. However, we don't know his personal circumstances. That could have been down to his budget etc. In other words he needed to start seeing a return on his time and investment so had to get them out into the market place.
Daz.
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I think this is a very good thread!
I think my only disappointment with Dibly was he was a little naive in his testing, he SHOULD have done more. However, we don't know his personal circumstances. That could have been down to his budget etc. In other words he needed to start seeing a return on his time and investment so had to get them out into the market place.
Daz.
you're right Daz it is a good thread.
not only was he naive in his testing I'm sure his claims of the new technology were, to be kind, "naive"
I'm also not sure he funded the testing etc, I'm still inclined to think ukbikeco is an off shoot of Avocet, but maybe I'm just cynical.
but at risk of repeating myself still only 2 pics of the failures.
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Every bmx forum in the land has a thread on this subject surely we are all entitled to discuss this subject on a bmx forum.
That seems to be true, so with the whole internet discussing these frames, and everybody in the world seeming to have either a camera or camera phone, there are only 2 pics of broken frames, so where`s the rest , there`s supposed to be dozens by all accounts ?
I obviously cant answer that so we have to assume only two have broken.
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I'd guess the testing budget of UK Bike Co and more established companys is "slightly" different ;)
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I'd guess the testing budget of UK Bike Co and more established companys is "slightly" different ;)
Didn`t Mirraco have to recall all of it`s early forks because of a fault, I don`t remember seeing a heated debate on every internet forum about them, and I would have thought that they had a big testing budget :-\
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I'd guess the testing budget of UK Bike Co and more established companys is "slightly" different ;)
Didn`t Mirraco have to recall all of it`s early forks because of a fault, I don`t remember seeing a heated debate on every internet forum about them, and I would have thought that they had a big testing budget :-\
but they probably never claimed there super light weightness was down to a new special heat treating process that still had the same strength as much heavier frames.
see it's not just about it being ukbikeco, it;s about this new company springing up with some wild claims about weight and technology that then get proven to be not quite all they claimed it was
still i bet 90% of the frames never break and 90% of the customers will be happy. let's face it the kids love these frame don't they?
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your right bill mirraco had a massive recall, people are always gonna hate ukbikeco the same way they hate on all the weight weenie kids at the skateparks,
I think the frames are made for super smooth park riders and alot of owners dont fit into that bracket so when they fail its no real suprise, I can understand all the kids wanting these frames but cant work out why alot of older people like on here would want them, I would rather trust something a little beefier and stronger
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Well Ollie loves his Evo :smitten:
So do I - best bike I have ridden apart from an unbreakable Curtis :angel:
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Well Ollie loves his Evo :smitten:
So do I - best bike I have ridden apart from an unbreakable Curtis :angel:
will make a change you wanting to borrow Ollie's biek to ride the park rather than the other way around eh Nick? :daumenhoch:
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I'd guess the testing budget of UK Bike Co and more established companys is "slightly" different ;)
Didn`t Mirraco have to recall all of it`s early forks because of a fault, I don`t remember seeing a heated debate on every internet forum about them, and I would have thought that they had a big testing budget :-\
but they probably never claimed there super light weightness was down to a new special heat treating process that still had the same strength as much heavier frames.
see it's not just about it being ukbikeco, it;s about this new company springing up with some wild claims about weight and technology that then get proven to be not quite all they claimed it was
still i bet 90% of the frames never break and 90% of the customers will be happy. let's face it the kids love these frame don't they?
I'm only thinking out loud here but could these claims have come from the tubing manufacturer? Could he simply have been telling everyone what he was told himself by some to$$er of a salesman?
It's just a thought. :-\
Daz.
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yes you could be right.
but then you'd probably do a bit more research beofre claiming it to be true would you not?
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People like a good whinge and moan!!!
If forums were all nice then they probably wouldn't last long!!
This forum isn't just talk so it has a lot more going for it then some forums but it still has its moaners!!
The Special Heat Treament probably isn't special. Its probably just something that hasn't been used to make bikes before and is therefore special in terms of BMX.
Kids today wouldn't even touch a phone without a camera.
So the lack of photos is suspicious considering the incredibly huge percentage of frames shattering into millions of pieces!! ???
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Well Ollie loves his Evo :smitten:
So do I - best bike I have ridden apart from an unbreakable Curtis :angel:
will make a change you wanting to borrow Ollie's biek to ride the park rather than the other way around eh Nick? :daumenhoch:
I will be back on the Haro mate !
I think it may be time to see if the shop can do ME a good geal :LolLolLolLol:
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I'd guess the testing budget of UK Bike Co and more established companys is "slightly" different ;)
Didn`t Mirraco have to recall all of it`s early forks because of a fault, I don`t remember seeing a heated debate on every internet forum about them, and I would have thought that they had a big testing budget :-\
but they probably never claimed there super light weightness was down to a new special heat treating process that still had the same strength as much heavier frames.
see it's not just about it being ukbikeco, it;s about this new company springing up with some wild claims about weight and technology that then get proven to be not quite all they claimed it was
still i bet 90% of the frames never break and 90% of the customers will be happy. let's face it the kids love these frame don't they?
Have those claims been disproved then, I haven`t seen or heard that they were, have I missed something or is it just rumour ?
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well it's no more being proved that it isn't some special process than it has been proved that it is.
however aren't you even a tiny bit suspicous that this special new process landed in the hands of ukbikeco rather than some multimillion dollar corp?
don't you think there'd be a technical paper written about this new tech that means you can heat treat tubes in a way that thinner tubes are still as strong as the the fatter tubes not trwated this way?
am i the only person who thinks that seems just a teeny bit unlikely? like someone having 3 NOS gen 1s in the loft?
but as far as them not being as strong as heavier bikes, I'd say that's been proven to an extent.
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I understand what your saying and there is a shed load of hate for this company but I honestly dont think they did proper testing, This is all based on thought and not fact but even kane who designed one of them said they rushed them out to quickly and his frame failed a few times, me personally I would wait a while before I bought one let them iron out there issues as I dont really believe the claims of this super new technology that nobody else even knew about as Im pretty sure they are made in the same factory as another companies and they dont know anything about it.
Good luck to dibly lets hope he comes through
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If UK Bike Co stuff was American made I bet there wouldn't be this much hate for it.
Common sense should tell people light frames will be weaker than heavier frames, full stop. If people want to make a strong but light frame, they should use a strong tube (e.g. Reynolds 853, OX Platinum, Supertherm) rather than rely.
Best weight for a BMX frame will always be around the 5lb to 5.5lb mark.
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Hoffman came through, the Hoffman brand was almost destroyed when he introduced the first bikes which were manufactured in Taiwan as opposed to in-house but he was quick to rectify his failure and saved his name as a bmx brand.
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well, i think i know of most folk in scotland who run bmx companies and you seemed to hint at one of these folk being streetjudge. (apologies to streetjudge if he does also.)
well, the streetjudge i'm thinking of is a big boy and i'm sure he'll come along and let you know who he is next time he gets online, this is going seriously off topic.
i work in halfords as previosuly said in this thread
Personally I would have left the bit about Halfords out, especially if you want to be taken seriously. :LolLolLolLol:
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but at risk of repeating myself still only 2 pics of the failures.
i've seen the same two pics as you. and i've also seen the local one which was a gold frame. i can get pics when i speak to the guy who had it.
as mentioned above, i doubted these frames the first i read of them when i read the quote that went along the lines of - "we have a 3.5lb frame, but we can't tell you how we manage it, its top secret."
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mike, how long do you test a frame for before releasing it to the public?
i need a comparison!
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my eye is screaming reading all these posts.
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fook me, it ain't arf' snowing outside!
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mike, how long do you test a frame for before releasing it to the public?
i need a comparison!
Normally at least a year.
The Alpine mountain bike frame I got 4 prototypes made, 1 went to Dirt mag and the other 3 were ridden for a whole season in the Alps by the TrailAddiction guides.
The new BMX race frames, I got 6 prototypes made and they were tested for 2 whole race seasons before production frames were ordered. Shaun Andrews is still riding his original prototype.
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Did someone mention brand bashing
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=79828.0;topicseen
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Did someone mention brand bashing
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=79828.0;topicseen
KHE bashing will be fine the owner (as far as i know) isnt a member on ere... :daumenhoch:
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dear me 14 pages,
if any one would like to come to my warehouse and see my returns section they are more than welcome too! i still have the same amount of returns as when i first posted in this thread so all these so called frames thats have snapped havent been notified to me?!?! very strange if you ask me if i have laid cash out for something that broke i would be straight on the phone asking for a new one
it is getting so boring now every company gets manufacture faults a good friend of mine has been through 3 fit frames in 6 months but no 14 page threads about them with the amount of frames i have sold and compared to the amount of returns its not even close to 1%
JT71 you bore me :-*
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Dibly, you must be doing something right..........
Otherwise these people wouldn't be getting so worked up about it!! :daumenhoch:
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JT71 you bore me :-*
only asking the questions that you say "bore" you but I'm guessing you don't have answers for them.
I'm not bashing your brand, if you actually read what I wrote you'd see that so why not answer the questions in a clear and concise way and put the matter to rest?
As I have said many many times on here I've only seen two pics of broken frames however many questions remained unanswered.
Just because you are a RAD member I don't think the buying public should just accept what you say.
Long and short of it is Darren if you had the answers you'd write them up here.
I have nowt against you (other than you making me out to be lying when i saw Webby on his WTP and it was later admitted that yes he actually was riding his WTP with UK decals for a while, so a simple, "yes he's on the team but not got his bike yet so he's riding his old one" would have done) but I'll ask the questions because it's good for debate and will actually stop the brand bashing if you have the right answers.
Simply saying "JT71 you bore me" implies you either don't care or don't have the answers, well which is it?
If you claim to be doing something special to mean that you can use thinner tubes whilst retaining strength then tell us about it, tell us about the science and the chemicals, you have the patent so no need to worry about. Prove me worng and I'll be the first to say:
"Well there you go folks my questions have been answered and I was wrong."
so what's it to be?
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i could not be bothered to read all the threads iv been reading same old stuff for 6 months now and i still have the best selling frame out there which just shows people do not listen to people who know nothing. list the questions again and il answer but i did notice you keep going on about your bike, well my frames are made in the same factory with the same diameter tube sets as yours along with many other brands
which also have had returns
i have to go out for the day so will return later today
a brief description about my heat treatment is samurai swords, beaten and folded metal over and over again, so it is not a brand new heat treatment its has been around for hundreds of years just never used on anything else but after heated is put into a airless vaccume to allow to cool with out air
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The Special Heat Treament probably isn't special. Its probably just something that hasn't been used to make bikes before and is therefore special in terms of BMX.
:daumenhoch:
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a brief description about my heat treatment is samurai swords, beaten and folded metal over and over again, so it is not a brand new heat treatment its has been around for hundreds of years just never used on anything else but after heated is put into a airless vaccume to allow to cool with out air
well there you go, I stand corrected, Dibly has a new to BMX method of treating his metal, I don't understand the science of the cooling without air in a vacuum, but there it is in black and white.
ps: i reckon i mentioned my bike once.
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i doubt this very much.
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Dunno mate. I think you'd be hard pushed to find another brand that had sold 1000 frames in 6 months.
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Its certainly an impressive figure in a short space of time cant argue with that, wonder how its affecting other uk bmx companys? also with the value of sterling and the fact that most bmx gear is manufactured overseas they must be struggling.
Does anyone know how many of the 1000 units were sold to the uk market?
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I'm looking forward to the Novice night at creation so i can ride Gasheads UK Bikes frame......it looks the nuts! :daumenhoch:
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Dunno mate. I think you'd be hard pushed to find another brand that had sold 1000 frames in 6 months.
i think you'd be hard pushed to find any company thats shifted 1000 frames in 6 months!
i don't believe this until i see an invoice.
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to be fair....every shop i went into that were selling them, had sold out of all the frames and were taking orders for more. Dibly is a sound guy and i have no reason to not believe him.
for the record i think this thread has been very harsh on him to point of personal attack. in my oppionion you pays your money and takes your choice.....either buy one cos you like em....or don't cos you think they're rubbish and will break?
for the few that have broken........the people have had new ones sent straight out......no questions asked, you can't get better than that can you? yes it's a shame that frames break.....but no one other than the owners know how they've treated that frame do they?
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i think you'd be hard pushed to find any company thats shifted 1000 frames in 6 months!
I reckon Zimma Frames probably do alright :D
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i think you'd be hard pushed to find any company thats shifted 1000 frames in 6 months!
I reckon Zimma Frames probably do alright :D
:LolLolLolLol:
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:4_17_5:
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dibly, I am sure you are getting all the relevent paperwork together and hurriedly making travel arrangements to go and stand before a scottish bmx court to defend yourself in order that you may hold your head high and gain the seal of approval that must be missing from your business life, but before you go up there.....
Keep at it mate, you done good and will continue to do so :4_17_5:
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thank you Si :)
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dibly, I am sure you are getting all the relevent paperwork together and hurriedly making travel arrangements to go and stand before a scottish bmx court to defend yourself in order that you may hold your head high and gain the seal of approval that must be missing from your business life, but before you go up there.....
Keep at it mate, you done good and will continue to do so :4_17_5:
Well said Si :daumenhoch:
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I CAN'T FOOKIN BELIEVE YOUR STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS !!!!!!!
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Its certainly an impressive figure in a short space of time cant argue with that, wonder how its affecting other uk bmx companys? also with the value of sterling and the fact that most bmx gear is manufactured overseas they must be struggling.
Does anyone know how many of the 1000 units were sold to the uk market?
is dibly now to blame for the recession?
i've never had a bike company but do bike companies consider how their sales affect other bike companies and limit sales so that other companies don't suffer?
i really don't understand the relevence of the quoted above, at all
if i have totally misunderstood, then i do apologize :-\
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i need some chocolate ,the leaves in the garden need tidying again.
hmm now did i turn the lights of in the workshop ..best i go look.
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it's an odd one that, it's a new product, people that bought them might not have gotten a new frame had these not been released so i doubt it has affected sales of other companies.
ie if uk hadn't sold a 1000 frames it wouldn't mean that the other companies would have sold a 1000 extra between them, more likely a 1000 peeps would still ride their old frames.
how ever those 1000 frame had to be kitted out so retailers probably sold more parts.
Gordon Brown is to blame ofr the recession (depression?)
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RECESSION WHAT RECSSSEION I'M FOOKIN LOADED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RECESSION WHAT RECSSSEION I'M FOOKIN LOADED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
see it's not all doom and gloom. :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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i just started building a new bike so no recession for me :)
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iv just finished my classic car rolled it out of the garage after a year of slog on it today going to book mot for it tomoz, i post some pics up soon
started first time too :)
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i just started building a new bike so no recession for me :)
come on dude, what is it?
I flogged my new build before it got off the ground, not really the recession but the mrs give up her job to go part time, better quality of life...oh and i'm going snowboarding with twobobrob in march, lol.
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secret ..well not that secret but not saying :angel:
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[is dibly now to blame for the recession?
i've never had a bike company but do bike companies consider how their sales affect other bike companies and limit sales so that other companies don't suffer?
i really don't understand the relevence of the quoted above, at all
if i have totally misunderstood, then i do apologize :-\
I wasn't blaming dibly for the recession I was simply making the point that survival of uk bmx companys was difficult prior to the value of sterling falling so survival now must be even more difficult that the uk is in recession and with the addition of ukbikeco who appear to have cleaned up the uk frame market I was simply interested how the other uk bmx companys are fairing. Any company wants as much of their chosen market as they can get thats business and I have no doubt any uk bmx company would love to have sold as many frames as dibly has,I certainly wasn't suggesting that he has done anything immoral.
I was interested thats all, if it has offended anyone than I apologize as it was not intended.
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Drop in exchange rate (and losing race team sponsor) has really fooked up my plans for this year.
Business ain't gonna go under, but not gonna be able to produce as many frames as I intended.
Got plenty of stock, but it ain't shifting that quick right now.
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[is dibly now to blame for the recession?
i've never had a bike company but do bike companies consider how their sales affect other bike companies and limit sales so that other companies don't suffer?
i really don't understand the relevence of the quoted above, at all
if i have totally misunderstood, then i do apologize :-\
I wasn't blaming dibly for the recession I was simply making the point that survival of uk bmx companys was difficult prior to the value of sterling falling so survival now must be even more difficult that the uk is in recession and with the addition of ukbikeco who appear to have cleaned up the uk frame market I was simply interested how the other uk bmx companys are fairing. Any company wants as much of their chosen market as they can get thats business and I have no doubt any uk bmx company would love to have sold as many frames as dibly has,I certainly wasn't suggesting that he has done anything immoral.
I was interested thats all, if it has offended anyone than I apologize as it was not intended.
i read it through a couple of times dude, n thats just how it laid with me, as the majority of negativity of this thread seems vindictive, and i did think it was a bit of a strange accusation :)
fair comment dude, i apologize for jumpin on it :daumenhoch:
now, show us ya motor dibly :daumenhoch:
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yeah dibly show us ya classic motor
and any news on the 16 inch uk bikes :daumenhoch:
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its a bit dusty at the mo after being laid up for years so will get some up tomoz, the alloys still need a little work but going to wait till the weather is better till i get them done
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its a bit dusty at the mo after being laid up for years so will get some up tomoz, the alloys still need a little work but going to wait till the weather is better till i get them done
Its a Morris Ital isnt it ??? alegro, Vanden plas maybe........Hilman gimp?
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my alegro got stolen bitd lol
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Ha you been sneaking round my garage again si? you left your gimp mask
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a brief description about my heat treatment is samurai swords, beaten and folded metal over and over again, so it is not a brand new heat treatment its has been around for hundreds of years just never used on anything else but after heated is put into a airless vaccume to allow to cool with out air
RAMIREZ! Mwahahaha
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iv just finished my classic car rolled it out of the garage after a year of slog on it today going to book mot for it tomoz, i post some pics up soon
started first time too :)
get some pics up, i love cars.
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think the main problem here is they don't have a magical heat treating process, they just have thinner tubes.
well my frames are made in the same factory with the same diameter tube sets as yours along with many other brands
So are you saying that your frames are made with "the same tube sets" or "the same OD tubes sets" as Colony, Superstar, WTP and Premium?
for the record i think this thread has been very harsh on him to point of personal attack. in my oppionion you pays your money and takes your choice.....either buy one cos you like em....or don't cos you think they're rubbish and will break?
for the few that have broken........the people have had new ones sent straight out......no questions asked, you can't get better than that can you? yes it's a shame that frames break.....but no one other than the owners know how they've treated that frame do they?
Or you are conned into buying one thinking it won't break and as for the "few" there seems to be a very large discrepancy between the returns and the witnessed snaps.
So the lack of photos is suspicious considering the incredibly huge percentage of frames shattering into millions of pieces!! ???
Not really, not everybody is the sort of person to have 4000+ posts on an internet forum, or even post at all. This doesn't mean they didn't have a phone with a camera, more likely they were pissed off about their frame cracking or bending.
I hope I'm not getting dragged into this...
It's all your fault for being so stupid, making your frames so heavy - what were you thinking?
Is UK Bike Co independent or a sub-brand of some bigger company (i.e. like Charge being owned by Hotwheels)?
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i still have the same amount of returns as when i first posted in this thread so all these so called frames thats have snapped havent been notified to me?!?! very strange if you ask me if i have laid cash out for something that broke i would be straight on the phone asking for a new one
I know of 3 that have cracked from before you posted that. Two from around the Southampton area and one from Guernsey. If they didn't reach you then they must have got lost in the mail but they were all definitely returned.
I am not a fan.
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I know of 3 that have cracked from before you posted that. Two from around the Southampton area and one from Guernsey. If they didn't reach you then they must have got lost in the mail but they were all definitely returned.
I am not a fan.
OK then
Must have got lost in the post?, so 3 people independantly posted frames at a value £300 each, all 3 got lost, Hmmmmmm, Did they not take a picture, send it to UK to get a return authorised, Cos that is standard procedure,If not surely they would have gone back to the retailer wouldnt they, who would have taken a photo, if so then they would have a picture wouldn't they.
So in summary, Bollox
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So the lack of photos is suspicious considering the incredibly huge percentage of frames shattering into millions of pieces!! ???
Not really, not everybody is the sort of person to have 4000+ posts on an internet forum, or even post at all. This doesn't mean they didn't have a phone with a camera, more likely they were pissed off about their frame cracking or bending.
I know of 3 that have cracked from before you posted that. Two from around the Southampton area and one from Guernsey. If they didn't reach you then they must have got lost in the mail but they were all definitely returned.
I am not a fan.
So three more Frames have broke and with all the interest in slagging off these frames on many forums, no pictures were taken.
The Yoof of today are never more than a few yards from a mobile phone with camera capabilities.
If my mate broke his frame, I'd definitely start posting piccys all over my contacts list.
How come I can go down the pub and get slaughtered and the next day they'll be dozens of piccys of me fooked out of my skull and making a complete ass of myself but the modern day yoof's into BMX dont seem to be bothered to take a piccy. Are they saving their Mobile phone storage for an impromptu happy slapping?
Also these 3 frames were returned and the owners didn't take any pictures and at least posted them recorded delivery.
How strange!! ???
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OK then
Must have got lost in the post?, so 3 people independantly posted frames at a value £300 each, all 3 got lost, Hmmmmmm, Did they not take a picture, send it to UK to get a return authorised, Cos that is standard procedure,If not surely they would have gone back to the retailer wouldnt they, who would have taken a photo, if so then they would have a picture wouldn't they.
So in summary, Bollox
Well there certainly is a lot of bollox in this thread but what you quoted from me is 100% true.
I apologise for my sarcasm whooshing at such high speed over your head but how else can you explain Dibly not reciving any returns and these 3 frames being broken and returned, the magic heat-treatment pixies?
I posted what I know to be be true and you just say "bollox" based on what? Please tell me, that was not a rhetorical question.
There were photos, BUT I certainly never said there were not. Thats how I know what I am tying to be true.
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So the lack of photos is suspicious considering the incredibly huge percentage of frames shattering into millions of pieces!! ???
Not really, not everybody is the sort of person to have 4000+ posts on an internet forum, or even post at all. This doesn't mean they didn't have a phone with a camera, more likely they were pissed off about their frame cracking or bending.
I know of 3 that have cracked from before you posted that. Two from around the Southampton area and one from Guernsey. If they didn't reach you then they must have got lost in the mail but they were all definitely returned.
I am not a fan.
So three more Frames have broke and with all the interest in slagging off these frames on many forums, no pictures were taken.
The Yoof of today are never more than a few yards from a mobile phone with camera capabilities.
If my mate broke his frame, I'd definitely start posting piccys all over my contacts list.
How come I can go down the pub and get slaughtered and the next day they'll be dozens of piccys of me fooked out of my skull and making a complete ass of myself but the modern day yoof's into BMX dont seem to be bothered to take a piccy. Are they saving their Mobile phone storage for an impromptu happy slapping?
Also these 3 frames were returned and the owners didn't take any pictures and at least posted them recorded delivery.
How strange!! ???
What has what you just posted got to do with anything. I NEVER said anything about there not being photos.
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So please post the pictures then!!
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there are photos on the net of these frames being cracked, maybe most of the riders do not use this forum as its mainly an oldschool forum, there have been pics on bikeguide, I think there was one on enjoy and bmx forum too, dont hold me to this as I dont really care if these frames break or not they are not my cup of tea, I think what people find intruiging (sp) or frustrating is that alot of questions on this thread still remain unanswered
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So please post the pictures then!!
Why? I have pictures of one of them and the rider who broke two in 3 months has his own reasons to not want pics posted on the net.
I know what I believe to be true and I know what I believe to be false, I don't need to prove anything to you, I am not the one who needs to prove anything here.
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17 pages is about all i can cope with guys ,im back n forth ,back n forth with this and its going nowhere
your right ,He's right ,shes right can we all agree to disagree for now.
and im going to bin this waste of bandwidth soon.
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good^this has gone on far too long