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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Freestyle (frame stands and kickturns galore!) => Topic started by: telelogic on December 30, 2008, 09:46 AM
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ok fella's,
Just about finishing my first old school build. (85 pro performer)
during the re-learning/remembering/acquiring process I've obviously seen a few new school rides.
My question to all you fellow old schoolers is this.
do any of you have a new school bike among your collections?
do you use a new school bike as your main rider?
do you find the new school bikes easier to ride?
My intention when I started my build was, build the bike, and ride the bike! that hasn't changed.
However, the more I see, and learn, about the new schoolers the more it seems to make sense that I should also have one of these.
The components are obviously of a much higher quality, better thought out, and available whenever I need them,
I was repelled by the look of the new bikes when I first returned to the scene, (still think the saddle way down low looks daft) (If you're not going to use it TAKE IT OFF!)
but the new school retros, such as the SE quad, ripper, and I'm sure countless others to follow, have started to look very attractive.
Given this, my next question to you is,
Do the retros' ride like the newer bikes?
Or are they just some lame compromise between the two?
OK, I'll leave you alone now, but I would love to hear what you guys have to say before I go and make some horrible mistake.
All the best in the coming year.
J.
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new school all the way as a rider unless its just a bimble in the summer to the pub
the se new range will do you just fine ,much better components .
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ok fella's,
Just about finishing my first old school build. (85 pro performer)
during the re-learning/remembering/acquiring process I've obviously seen a few new school rides.
My question to all you fellow old schoolers is this.
do any of you have a new school bike among your collections?
do you use a new school bike as your main rider?
do you find the new school bikes easier to ride?
My intention when I started my build was, build the bike, and ride the bike! that hasn't changed.
However, the more I see, and learn, about the new schoolers the more it seems to make sense that I should also have one of these.
The components are obviously of a much higher quality, better thought out, and available whenever I need them,
I was repelled by the look of the new bikes when I first returned to the scene, (still think the saddle way down low looks daft) (If you're not going to use it TAKE IT OFF!)
but the new school retros, such as the SE quad, ripper, and I'm sure countless others to follow, have started to look very attractive.
Given this, my next question to you is,
Do the retros' ride like the newer bikes?
Or are they just some lame compromise between the two?
OK, I'll leave you alone now, but I would love to hear what you guys have to say before I go and make some horrible mistake.
All the best in the coming year.
J.
tbh mate, i'd stick with the model train collecting :daumenhoch:
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But I Hate trains :knuppel2:
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go see stodgy in the rad shop on the best deals youll find on retro .
imo old school bikes aint good to ride they are only gonna bust
show them yes charity events yes and racing on the odd occasion.
but as a main ride NO they lasted 25 years why fook em up now with fat bums astride.
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My first bike when I got back into it was a Retro Quad and I loved it. Still do.
I love the way they look and the way they ride has helped me get back into it easily and still ride something of a talking point.
Word of warning - old school or retro - you'll be so sick of telling kids what it is you may as well get a T shirt printed up to save your voice.
I've just got one of the Retro Ripper bargains off Stodgy in the Rad shop. ABSOLUTELY love it - more than the quad I think and a mega bargain.
Go and get one now before he sells out!!!
:daumenhoch:
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just out of interest, what size are the dropouts on the retro SE's?
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when you say ride it.......what sort of riding are you talking about? to the shops for the milk? proper street or park riding? if so don't bother with the Retro builds....get a proper NS BMX....yes talk to Stodgy as he'll have some great completes for you.
if it's racing then maybe the retro Ripper will be okay (i'm not an expert on the racing bikes) but for park or street......get a proper BMX which will let you ride it and have a great time :daumenhoch:
OS = look at and cruise
NS = Ride and have a blast!
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you could go mid school with some new parts keeping the older feel as they wouldnt bust even stronger than alot of new school
just a tad heavier :shocked:
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when you say ride it.......what sort of riding are you talking about? to the shops for the milk? proper street or park riding? if so don't bother with the Retro builds....get a proper NS BMX....yes talk to Stodgy as he'll have some great completes for you.
if it's racing then maybe the retro Ripper will be okay (i'm not an expert on the racing bikes) but for park or street......get a proper BMX which will let you ride it and have a great time :daumenhoch:
OS = look at and cruise
NS = Ride and have a blast!
Well to start with I just want to get back to where I was 25 years ago!
that my be tougher than I would like.
Just old school freestyle really. A mixture of flatland and the odd trick ramp/park
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when you say ride it.......what sort of riding are you talking about? to the shops for the milk? proper street or park riding? if so don't bother with the Retro builds....get a proper NS BMX....yes talk to Stodgy as he'll have some great completes for you.
if it's racing then maybe the retro Ripper will be okay (i'm not an expert on the racing bikes) but for park or street......get a proper BMX which will let you ride it and have a great time :daumenhoch:
OS = look at and cruise
NS = Ride and have a blast!
Good point and agreed.
I am track only - racing and a bit of dirt fun. I don't think any of the Retro SE would be the best choice for park or street.
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then it's a proper NS bike you need.....not any of those retro things (IMHO)
believe me, i think everyone who got back into the sport said the same thing.....it's OS all the way for me....then they go to a couple of RAD meets or parks, try a NS bike and they quickly realise JUST how much better they are!
for what you'll pay putting together a good quality OS bike, you could get yourself a great NS ride which will transform your riding and you'll do so much more than 25 years ago.
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go see stodgy in the rad shop on the best deals youll find on retro .
imo old school bikes aint good to ride they are only gonna bust
show them yes charity events yes and racing on the odd occasion.
but as a main ride NO they lasted 25 years why fook em up now with fat bums astride.
I have guitars twice the age of my bike! and they all get played hard.
If they worked bitd why not now?
And fyi I do not have a fat bum :yahoo_silent:
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if you sat on your guitar and jumped and it flexed all over the place till it fractured then be my guessed.
just my opinion that was asked for not a debate.
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if you sat on your guitar and jumped and it flexed all over the place till it fractured then be my guessed.
just my opinion that was asked for not a debate.
you're quite right :-[
please forgive me?
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Retro old school bikes are ace i.m.h.o ..old school look with modern-day rideability and strength ..i`ve put a few old school bits on my 06 Sport and it rides great ..i can go for it on a bike that i know aint gonna brake and isn`t a relic or a priceless artifact ..don`t get me wrong i love OS bikes much more but i`d be terrified of knackering something that i`ve put heart and soul into restoring !!
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New school bikes have advanced for a reason, because they're better. It's like trying to compare a MK II Mexico to a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 10, there's just no comparison. Yes the MK II Mexico will still be bags of fun to drive but it won't be able to do the things the Evo can do because technology was limited when it was built.
Old school for cruising and posing and new school for proper riding. However, it's still possible to have a new school rider with a old/mid school look to it, which is what I do, see below. It's a complete new school bike but it stands out from the crowd. I've since changed the bars and the grips but the bars are still chrome and the grips black. This F&F will be changing again soon to all chrome which will look even more old school but again, it will be complete new school.
Daz.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/j46/Flatcap1968/Proper_2.jpg)
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Sexy bike Daz :daumenhoch:
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Unfortunately almost everyone makes the mistake of getting an old school bike on there return to bmx, if your serious about riding bikes as opposed to collecting them you will end up with a new school as theres no comparison.
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seriously though dude, all leg pulling aside, :LolLolLolLol:
when you rode as a kid you were smaller right?
so your O/S frame's geometry would have been smaller too, "18/"19 top tube etc,
now you're in need of a longer frame with more room up font,
also you weigh a fair bit more than when you were a kid so will need a stronger frame,
what you rode back then was essentially a kids bike,
now to actually ride you need an adults bike,
trust me, O/S bikes a lovely to look at and adore but for riding try a N/S bike, you wont be dissapointed, :daumenhoch:
first things first,
how tall are you?
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I'm five ten and weigh about ten and a half stone.
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"20.75 to "21 tt :daumenhoch:
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And funnily enough, my Proper frame above is 20.75 and it's for sale for the bargain price of £90 posted :)
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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such nice work :4_17_5:
so smooth!
let it bake for an hour, then serve it up nice n' easy ;D
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heres a point of reference for you,
this is the best bike on this or any other forum,
nothing comes close. :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6251.jpg)
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i can't see the picture at work.....but that is just in Joe's oppinion :daumenhoch:
oh and i'm guessing it's a standard?
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I'd just like to add at this point,
I was pretty crap BITD!
I was all kick turns and front hops.
I'm never going to be throwing myself at three flights of stairs!
I just want something reliable and solid (but not too heavy) to take to the local park that has some trick ramps (YES STILL!) and a mini non vert half pipe thing.
If I ever muster up the bottle to hit a real half pipe I'll be amazed!
Just so you didn't think I was looking to become the next...... whoever is good these days.
I also don't think I could live without a coaster brake, so I guess that counts out all but a retro?
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I would avoid those retro bikes, if you want old school get really old, not pretend old.
if you wanna ride, and i was no good back in the day, so some things never change, get a new school bike. a proper one, not some trendy retro thing, get a bike that will ride nice, look good and take a hammering.
but not raw, raw is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo last year.
(only kidding Joe, think your bike is sweet)
as for what bike, everyone here will think the bike they have is the bike you should get just about, so try to get to a skate park with some radsters and try their bikes. if you're ever up at corby on a Tuesday night you can try mine.
It's a Colony and is,without exception,the best bike on this or any other bmx forum. FACT. :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
it has a longer seat post and bigger bars now, but here it is.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ee133/JT71sPhotos/IMG_2511.jpg)
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Unfortunately almost everyone makes the mistake of getting an old school bike on there return to bmx, if your serious about riding bikes as opposed to collecting them you will end up with a new school as theres no comparison.
I built my first build a few months ago a gen2 master It was going to be showy/dust collector/ornament/loft warmer etc but the urge to get back on a bike and do old tricks got the better of me...I know it should be an ornament and a very expensive one at that, but I am only on the planet once and I may as well enjoy the bike as it was intended...if it breaks I am not even slightly bothered as I can't take it with me.
New school just don't float my boat,the look,the clothes and the blandness of the bikes(that is not a snipe just my opinion)...I have seen 1 mid school bike I like and that was Harris Tasty Hoff but that aint cheap either so I am going to ride,fall off get back up and not worry too much if my ornament falls off the mantlepiece and ends up in a heap.
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That looks tiny JT..Does that have a seat post or just a seat ???
Also can it be ridden like that say errrrrr to the shops or something?
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seat and post have gone now, it has a sensible seat and post that i can actually sit on. :daumenhoch:
it's actually a reasonably long frame, but quite low at the seat stay/seat tube/top tube join.
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Rustle up £250 or so, and go and see Stodgy. By yourself a complete newschool bike based on his and our advise. Something mid or lower range, but with the right brakes on it.
Don't think too hard about it, from the choices he gives you, buy the one you think is the prettiest.
Failing that, pm Stevie B, give him your money and he'll build you something suitable from scratch.
Then check out the Members Event section on here, and come along to one of the sessions. You will be welcomed with open arms, you will go home sore and bruised (hopefully just from the riding....) Job's a good un! :daumenhoch:
If you fall back in love again, you'll upgrade that bike as you go. If you don't it'll sell her and you won't loose a fortune. ;)
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Who's the guy on here that "rides" a gen1 is it bettyswallocks think he has zrims on it might be wrong?
Well it was partly his fault I decided to ride the gen2.
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seat and post have gone now, it has a sensible seat and post that i can actually sit on. :daumenhoch:
it's actually a reasonably long frame, but quite low at the seat stay/seat tube/top tube join.
Cool was looking and thinking ::)spot the post :LolLolLolLol:
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Who's the guy on here that "rides" a gen1 is it bettyswallocks think he has zrims on it might be wrong?
Well it was partly his fault I decided to ride the gen2.
Yep that would be me dude, it only gets an occasional outing, i've an S&M LTF as my rider...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/P1000020.jpg)
I have to admit the gen1 is pants to ride in comparison
As said several times on this thread, give a new school bike a try... you wont be dissapointed... :daumenhoch:
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Nah...I am only doing basic stuff,rockwalks,kickturns etc so no need for new school...possibly got spare room for another rider a nice usa trickstar in dominguez blue and possibly a torker 81 cruiser for shopping and garage runs..I just don't feel the heritage with new stuff...when I stick my vans on and blast out on the master I feel like I am in 1984 and it feels just right :)
Don't get me wrong I love watching new school vids like harry main and see the progression since the early days but I just like the feeling,the look and all that come with riding an old bike.
ps I do like the LTF framesets they done one in a tarnished gold colour a while ago that moved me a little bit.
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Ah fook it heres my only bmx!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh280/macky573021/DSC00736.jpg)
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I have to say, I'm surprised!
there are some lovely looking retro's in the rad museum, but very few of you have anything nice to say about them.
Q: Can the free-coaster hubs be converted to a full coaster brake? I know you can do it the other way round.
The coaster brake issue is the only reason my mind is not yet made up.
I don't mind having a freewheel or free-coaster as an option, But I also have to be able to use my coaster brake tuffs.
I think the small front sprockets may prohibit me from doing this.
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word up to sweetbeats :daumenhoch:
when my first build is finished i plan to ride it not look at it and if bits scratch and get worn so what?
i cannot understand museum piece bikes the same as i cannot get my head around someone who buys oldschool trainers or trackie tops and then dont wear them.
having said that i can see the sense in getting a cheapish new schooler if you are going to ride seriously.
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I plan to ride comically ;D
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word up to sweetbeats :daumenhoch:
when my first build is finished i plan to ride it not look at it and if bits scratch and get worn so what?
i cannot understand museum piece bikes the same as i cannot get my head around someone who buys oldschool trainers or trackie tops and then dont wear them.
having said that i can see the sense in getting a cheapish new schooler if you are going to ride seriously.
Cheers Olly...Yeah If I was doing ten foot ariels then a new school would probably be a better option but for the stuff I am doing I can't really see me busting the bike anyday soon ;)
What you building?
Pics pleeeze :daumenhoch:
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Have you thought about a midschool? parts are cheaper and they work. Ive got a bully bashguard with acs boas on and they work as well as the u brakes on my other bike which has pitchforks and a brake plate and are 1" threaded and can be bolted to anything. the possibilities are endless if you mix it up a bit
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I have to say, I'm surprised!
there are some lovely looking retro's in the rad museum, but very few of you have anything nice to say about them.
Q: Can the free-coaster hubs be converted to a full coaster brake? I know you can do it the other way round.
The coaster brake issue is the only reason my mind is not yet made up.
I don't mind having a freewheel or free-coaster as an option, But I also have to be able to use my coaster brake tuffs.
I think the small front sprockets may prohibit me from doing this.
If you're absolutely dead set on running a coaster brake, then you'll have to stick to old school sized gearing so far as I'm aware. I don't know of a modern full coaster with micro gearing.
Better still, don't worry about it. I always ran a coaster bitd, but have not felt the need since. I can still nick a 540 kickturn without one these days....
If you're really only interested in kickturns and rollbacks, you might as well ride an oldschool bike anyhow, and simply not bother buying into the newschool thing at all :)
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my bike is totally new ... new school even, but I have a front brake, a good few inches of seat post showing and even a big padded seat. Last night I was riding at Corby and some (late 20ish) lad came up and said "hey, check out that old school set up". I said "f**koff, its brand new". I pointed out the hidden headset, mid BB and microdrive and asked him just how old it could be. He had a closer look as saw that is a new bike. I then told him that "it just looks old cos Ive got it built like a Cnut"!
The final funny was he then asked me if I remembered the "old school S&Ms". I nodded, but didnt answer.
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The final funny was he then asked me if I remembered the "old school S&Ms". I nodded, but didnt answer.
Juat as he said the 'M' of S&M, you should have just bitch slapped him. Open hand, full force - SSSLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!! :LolLolLolLol:
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well,
I have my performer,
and I think I'm gonna go ahead and buy a retro quad F&F and build it up sexy :daumenhoch:
this way I'll have the strength of a new school, but still be able to use my coaster when I get the urge.
who knows, I might enjoy the freewheel so much that I just use the GT for the coaster stuff.
I can always go for a full new school setup further down the road :)
cheers all,
J.
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I used to run a Coaster BITD & my New Skool has a Freecoaster, the thing is the brakes on a New Skool do actually work, so you don't really need a Coaster Brake & the Frecoaster allows you to roll back :daumenhoch:
I still have a collection of Old Skool, but I tried riding them in a park & they are crap compared to New Skool :-\
Anyway you have come to the right place :daumenhoch:
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I found a picture of my bike. Every bit of it is "New School" current stock but its pretty much set up the same as every bike Ive ridden for the last 15 years, only its a bit lighter than most of the others.
Get your seat posts out lads!!! :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/Newbars1.jpg)
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blimey have you brought some new grips alex ?
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I like the look of that post Alex 8)
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blimey have you brought some new grips alex ?
Na ... well yeah ... sort of.
United 'Jive' grips, love um. They are really nice and thin but they dont last long so Ive had a few pairs of them.
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don't do anything before you have spoke to stodgy he and others on here will give you advice on what's hot and what's not