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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: Ramp Rat on November 07, 2008, 11:40 PM
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Hey - this will be my first restoration and I was looking for some advise on cleaning up old Tuff I's and polishing up an old Mongoose frame. I welcome your input - Cheers - Damon
Here's what I have to work with. This is an old Mathews hardtail frame '77 - I'm gonna put all the parts on the '79 Mongoose
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/8195_1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/8e9c_1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/58e6_1.jpg)
Here's kinda where I want to end up...can this be done?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/pic012673on.jpg)
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nice that mate
the tuffs all depend on stains but if its just fade then a re dye will cover most problems
as for frame its nickel plate the one on the very bottom so its all about polish polish polish autosol or similar
is your nickel platter hard to tell from pick but just give it a 2 minuite polish and the gold will pop out
if not then you can get it re done for about £90.
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I think your gonna end up with a nice lookin bike there matey :daumenhoch:
Hard to tell from your pics - but i think your goose might be a chrome one - is it definitely a 79 ? post the serial number up - nickel or chrome though autosol and elbow grease required ;) Failing that it's off to the re-chromers if you really want it to dazzle !
Don't forget your new decals from bill at bmx products they are spot on : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mongoose-decals-BMX-vintage-old-school-Super-DeCoster_W0QQitemZ250317802499QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250317802499&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1431%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mongoose-decals-BMX-vintage-old-school-Super-DeCoster_W0QQitemZ250317802499QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250317802499&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1431%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)
As for your Tuff wheel restoration - here is a lengthy but detailed thread covering most aspects including dying to get that original colour back ;)
Here you go : http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=17050.0 (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=17050.0)
All i build / restore is old mongoose bikes mate so if you want any help give us a shout - there are quite a few other mongoose addicts on the site as well - just do some mongoose searches in the forum and you'll get to know who they are pretty quick - there is a lot of knowledge on here if you dig deep - good luck :daumenhoch:
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i have a mongoose style saddle nos inc guts yours for £12 posted
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this is great info. cheers everyone. Looking forward to getting stuck in. Bike's still in the shipping. I'll send over the serial number, not sure of the true age of the frame, I was guessing'79 cause these was no coaster anchor. I do love that nickel plate though on the restored Roger Decoster. Glad to ear of more mongoose addicts, I don't know what it is, but I just love the really old mongooses. I love looking through the mongoose museum and checking em all out. So simple looking. takes me back to my first love of BMX.
Thanks Sawzall, but I'm in the US so exchange rate sucks. I'll pick one up on ebay.
Cheers lads - will be back w/ pics!
Damon
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just want to let you all know how I'm getting along...I love restoring this bike, it might be my new hobbie. Last night I was putting back my Bendix 76 coaster brake on the tuff I and I was loving the challenge of fitting all the pieces back together, it was like a hands on BMX puzzle. I haven't seen the inside of an old coaster brak in almost 30 years. Took me a while, but when I figured it out, it was magic.
Here's how they arrived..
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/DSC04717.jpg)
So I stripped out the bearings and used brake cleaner to wash out all the crud and dumped the Tuff's in the bucket of dye.
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next morning pulled them out - sprayed some WD40 and hey presto - well chuffed.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/DSC04721.jpg)
some cracks in the hub which the bloke mentioned on the ebay auction - he said usual sun crack on rear hub - how stable is this wheel? Can I jump on it??
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/DSC04722.jpg)
Next step is sand down the box bars and Tange forks and spay them flatt black.
keep you all Mongoose heads posted on my progress....
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Nice job on dying those tuff 1's bud - they've come out sweet :daumenhoch:
Crack looks a bit nasty though :shocked:
Not so sure about the claim of "usual sun crack" i've got a used set of red tuff 1's and ther aint no cracks on them ;)
I'd be loathed to jump around on them too much with that crack - and i'd invest in some decent solvent weld glue as a precaution ? :-\
Which forks are you gonna use on the frame - the ones that came with the frame or the black pinched tange ones on your old bike ? I think the tange pinched fellas will look the part as they came on early geese :daumenhoch:
On another note did you look at your serial number to get your frame date confirmed ?
Looking at the decals (if they are original) they have the black background rather than the yellowy background suggesting later than your original 79 date but you've got the hole-less flat dropouts of the earlier frames so i reckon it's from around the change over period - Ill take a guess at an early month 1981 frame ???
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just want to let you all know how I'm getting along...I love restoring this bike, it might will be my new hobbie.
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Nice job on the wheel restoration, the finish came up a treat
some cracks in the hub which the bloke mentioned on the ebay auction - he said usual sun crack on rear hub - how stable is this wheel? Can I jump on it??
If someone said "sun cracks" to me (not that I've heard that term before) I'd think of the tiny hairline cracks that only occur on the very surface when mags are left outside and weathered through the seasons for years. My white Acorn Freestyles had this. That crack looks more like from heavy use. As bobafett said if you are going to ride them I'd think about a reliable way to fill/bond it. Maybe an epoxy filler or something. Good luck with the rest of it and keep us posted!
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good job my man ,glad your enjoying the restro, it gets inside you :daumenhoch:
i will be watching this build closely Dan
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cheers - guys.
Yeah - I'm a little pissed off at the sellers "normal sun cracks" quote - I also thought this meant some tiny hairline cracks - this rear hub has 4 big cracks (2 on each side) and I want to ride this bike, not just look at it, although I do love to just look at it for hours. maybe look into some sort of glue.
What should I do, ask for some money back? He did add in some red rat trap pedals, but they're for a 3 - piece crank - dumb ass.
bobafelt - you have a good eye - the serial number is D106797 which I heard makes this April 1981 - is that correct?
Yeah - I was planning on going for the Tange Champion forks for the late '70's era look rather than the TRX forks. Should I spray those forks a Matt Black or what colour? recommendations welcome.
anyway, I'm having a blast and it's all I think about - wife's not too happy about all the dye and greese everywhere :tickedoff: - oh well ;)
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the best part of a keeper is once your done,you can always dial it in when better parts turn up ie a rear wheel might find it your way
so enjoy the experience :)
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Harris - very true - I've already been looking for upgrade parts on ebay and craigs list - it never really ends does it. The eternal / elusive search
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Lookin' good Damon ;) ;) .
pm'ed ya ;)
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bobafett - you have a good eye - the serial number is D106797 which I heard makes this April 1981 - is that correct?
Cool ;)
Probably is chrome on that fella rather than nickel as we discussed earlier in the thread since she's an '81 but nothing is set in stone with a goose ! The frame pic you have is under too dull a light really to tell - a brightly lit or outdoor pic after a good autosol would probably show it up to be nickel or chrome in pictures - nickel has a more yellowish tint :daumenhoch:
Yeah - I was planning on going for the Tange Champion forks for the late '70's era look rather than the TRX forks. Should I spray those forks a Matt Black or what colour? recommendations welcome.
If it was me i'd probably go with a powder black with a bit of shine rather than a flat matt black. The flat matt was more typical of the ashtabula forks shown in the docoster you pictured early in the thread that inspired you for the build but the tange forks you've got where finished in nickel / chrome to match frames or in a painted finish to match frames (yellow, red, white, blue or black) and the black used wasn't a flat matt black it was more glossy 8) Or you could alway re-chrome / nickel them to match the frame :coolsmiley:
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One other thing damon - I've had a sniff around in my surplus bits box and i've got an old black vinyl gooseneck pad which would be perfect for your build mate - it's pretty much exactly the same pad as the one on that decoster picture. It's not mint but it's in pretty good condition - I don't want anything for it mate, you can have it, just enough to cover the postage if your interested let me know :daumenhoch:
Here's a pic :
(http://www.jpdeane.com/bmx/forsale/blackgoosepad.jpg)
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Bob - you are the man! :daumenhoch:Def. what's your paypal address? I love this place! Now I need to bid on that old gooseneck stem.
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PM on the way my man :daumenhoch:
and it's boba fett or mr.fett or fett or plain old john (but please don't call me bob ;D ;D ;D )
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sweet John! Do you have a link to your collection?
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sweet John! Do you have a link to your collection?
Soon matey, soon ;D
I'm a bit of a perfectionist - not totally obsessive like but I don't want to stick 'em up until they're how I want them, which is close for a few of them ;)
Basic run down of what i'll be posting up soon :
Chrome / Red Supergoose 2 showy
Nickel / Yellow mongoose showy
Chrome / black mongoose showy
Chrome / black californian rider
Chrome / Red Supergoose 2 rider
There's more long term projects on the back burner as well ! (Including 2 frames going to the chromers at some point)
And my golden goose (pun intended !!) which is my nickel non looptail minigoose which is the same bike i had as a kid - took me ages to find this lil fella and i'm gonna have it exactly how it was BITD :smitten:
I'll let you know when i finally post them up :daumenhoch:
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sounds like a great collection - looking forward to seeing them posted.
Nickel mini goose sounds lovely.
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Nickel mini goose sounds lovely.
Yep - That's my baby :smitten:
Just posted your pad today Damon - thanks for the paypal funds - easily covered the postage costs so i took myself for a pint with the change :daumenhoch:
Santa Monica hey - nice part of the states that mate - I did the whole west coast thing with the family a few years back, had a great time 8)
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Cheers John - glad you had a pint too. :daumenhoch:
So I put together my Matherews hardtail frame just to see what it rode like...I'm still polishing my goose and seems to take forever to get a good shine out of theat crappy chrome. I'm thinking of maybe getting it powder coated (thinking yellow w/ black parts looks mint or classic red) or re-chomed or nickel plated - need to research the cost of those options.
Here's the Mathews - rided like you'd expect an early BMX to ride - short top tube and angled head tube gives it a whippy turn making it really fun to ride. I'm almost considering keeping the bike mde up as is and have the goose as my #2 project. Talking to Matt, we both agreed that rare / weird old bikes are way cool :coolsmiley:
In the mail I waiting on: Ashtabula stem, John's 'gimp mask' pad, snowflake sugino 40T sprocket.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/DSC04785.jpg)
I love the rear end of this frame - looks like an old team murray
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That looks like a funky little rider Damon :daumenhoch:
You could swap the forks over with the ones that came with the goose and have the mathews as a rider and the goose as a showy ???
Hope you like the "gimp mask" pad :bondage: :-X
:LolLolLolLol: Let me know when it arrives bud :daumenhoch:
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Is that an old school deck in the background i see ......... Got a few old decks me-self ;)
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Ooooh, I think Mr Nichols has got the bug ::)
Looking cool mate, I'd keep that one as it is and do another as a second project - it's zub zero that is!
Keep up the good work mate and if I can help with owt you know where I am dude ;)
Daz.
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cheers Daz - I'm sure I'll need something down the road - a new tool kit for one - fixing up a bike w/ a monkeywrench and plyers really sucks ;D
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hey fella's - I'm having trouble getting this frame to shine - I pulled off a sticker and the chrome is great underneath...I bought some chrome cleaner / polish and have been rubbing hard, but can't seem to get the chrome as shinney as underneath the stickers. I don't think we have Autosol here in the US, anyone know another alternative polish? Looks like it needs an acid bath.
appreciate any input. I need my Mongoose to shine baby shine!
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Here ya go fella....this is available in the States as they're an American company and make some TOP quality stuff.
Duragloss Metail Polish #881
http://www.duragloss.com/
Works a treat!
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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cheers Daz - I'm sure I'll need something down the road - a new tool kit for one - fixing up a bike w/ a monkeywrench and plyers really sucks ;D
:LolLolLolLol: thats what i used to use BITD but i had a hammer too >:D :LolLolLolLol:
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Thanks Daz - I picked up some Autosol off of ebay (forgot we now live in a Global Market). Shine baby shine!
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My first official build - some updates - Autosol and Fluted seat post arrived from Hong Kong, Ashtabula stem and John's goose pad (Gimp Mask) arrived, (Cheers John!) Got some red adondized V-Bars (not sure I want to keep them or get some Swhinn Scrambler box bars) Just won an old Mongoose seat post clamp, looks beat up but maybe autosol could save it. Need to get some new repo decals then onto a candy apple red Kuwahara KZ-1 w/ gold parts :smitten:
Here she is so far....
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Wow Ramp Rat, looks good so far! hows the Tuff 1's going?? have you sorted the cracks out? can't wait to see it when its finally done! and i would consider those Schwinn Box bars on this build ;) ;)
Zak
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John's goose pad arrived
Glad you got the pad mate :daumenhoch:
Coming together nicely - got a real scrambler look to it :coolsmiley:
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cheers guys - yeah, gotta go w/ the '77 Scrambler bars, I'm watching some right now on the bay. It's a fun project.
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proper piece of kit that mate ,itll be a labour of love and stands up well great work. dan
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Lookin' good Damon , deffo box bars are the way to go if you can get 'em ;)
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looking good :daumenhoch:
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here's the bike w/ box bars...
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/DSC05520.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/DSC05536.jpg)
my new find....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/DSC05640.jpg)
a fine pair...my plan was to buy the Team Goose and sell the other, but once it arrived, I realized that I'm in love with both of them..they both have different strengths and charm, I can't pick a fav.
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m280/ramprat69/DSC05620.jpg)
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They look nice snuggled up together there Damon mate :LolLolLolLol:
So your keeping the other one - you do realise that you have now contracted mongoositis - there are a few others who suffer from it on here - i have it pretty bad !
It multiplies rapidly and there is no cure :LolLolLolLol:
So what happened with the stem on the team dude ? Is it proper snidey ? Paint job on the frame looks sweet in the first pic, how is it in the flesh :smitten:
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They look nice snuggled up together there Damon mate :LolLolLolLol:
So your keeping the other one - you do realise that you have now contracted mongoositis - there are a few others who suffer from it on here - i have it pretty bad !
It multiplies rapidly and there is no cure :LolLolLolLol:
So what happened with the stem on the team dude ? Is it proper snidey ? Paint job on the frame looks sweet in the first pic, how is it in the flesh :smitten:
yeah - I caught that one - there is just something about these old gooses that as someone else said, gets inside you and I was not a big fan bitd..stange stuff happens when you get one, it's all i think about. Yeah, the gold block stem is snidey, thick plate like you mentioned and snide gold paint, good from far but far from good, as they say, it will work for now. And that paint job is dodgy too. The forks are great, they have the proper translucent epoxy finish where it almost looks 3D as you can see the nickel deep inside the red...but, the frame was just spayed candy red by some kid in a garage, it can flake off w/ your finger nail, which really sucks...it really needs to be done properly. I was thinking about puting all the red forks and all the parts on my '81 frame. I hate scratched up frames. The rims cleaned up good, there is chrome on those spokes underneath the crud, I've been buffing w/ autosol and getting some great results.
I'm looking for a good painter in my area to re-do the frame epoxy red like the original ones.
great to ride though, very light.
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Shame about the paint job bud :'(
Take the forks with you to the local painter - they're usually good a matching up ;)
Nice to hear your ridin around on them mate :daumenhoch:
...........get some bloody decals for the other one :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Shame about the paint job bud :'(
Take the forks with you to the local painter - they're usually good a matching up ;)
Nice to hear your ridin around on them mate :daumenhoch:
...........get some bloody decals for the other one :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
yeah - ebay can be tough when people don't share lots of pics...I guess that should have been a red flag...still, think I got a fair deal at $425 - even w/ the snidey stem - there's a real gold stem on the bay right now, but they usually sore high on price to like $80 right? Beautiful stem though....gosh, this habit is costly, I had more luck with crack. 8)
I know, I know, I kinda like the survivor look too though...the Tange Tx 1200 stickers still look good though. One of these days I'll fork up the $$$ to get some stickers from BMX Products, I was looking at their grips too for my Team Goose.
One of these days......I'm goning to cut you into little pieces (which band?) hint :bondage:
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I think you should paint it pink. How's Floyd anyways?
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I think you should paint it pink. How's Floyd anyways?
nice one username - which ones pink? you know floyd? skater floyd?
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Yep ebay can be a bit of a gamble sometimes >:(
I took a look at that gold stem on US ebay - looks fairly clean, already close to $80 and time - left i think that'll go quite high. There's another on US ebay as well with a stamped goose seat clamp in the auction with it. Current bid is a round $40 i think - both a little rusty and need some TLC but could go for a decent price maybe :-\
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what a lovely pair they are ;D :daumenhoch:
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very nice pair ya got there
and i have them wald box bars
and how much back sweep do they have lol
mine are tilted well forward so i can ride it
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I think you should paint it pink. How's Floyd anyways?
nice one username - which ones pink? you know floyd? skater floyd?
both of them's pink. Who is Floyd? Your memory is microdotted!
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Sweeeeeeeeet pair of geese Damon :daumenhoch:
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Yep ebay can be a bit of a gamble sometimes >:(
I took a look at that gold stem on US ebay - looks fairly clean, already close to $80 and time - left i think that'll go quite high. There's another on US ebay as well with a stamped goose seat clamp in the auction with it. Current bid is a round $40 i think - both a little rusty and need some TLC but could go for a decent price maybe :-\
ended at $155.50 keen hell, those are well sought after...they do look the dogs bolloz though. All crome moly too...mmmmmm
I don't see the other one that need TLC????
There's another knock off block stem w/ the allen key bolts...mmmm
Thanks for all the kind word fella's - can't wait to give these bikes a good thrashing!!!!