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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: eloopnai on December 16, 2007, 09:04 PM
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im lookin to do a usa 84 supergoose up as my next project but does anyone have any spec or pics of this bike ? cheers :daumenhoch:
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im lookin to do a usa 84 supergoose up as my next project but does anyone have any spec or pics of this bike ? cheers :daumenhoch:
never seen an 84 US supergoose ::) the 6 i've had have all been 83 ;)
spec is proberly something like........
Proclass bars (84 UK supergoose had renthals)
mongoose grips
proclass wheels
180mm mongoose stamped 1pc crank or maybe sr cosmo-lite(depending on how late in 84)
proclass brakes
chromo seat post(uk had renthal)
viscount seat
mongoose universal spider
takagi chain ring.
cheng shin tyres,comp3 style
jimmyp might have a spec sheet, i have one for an 84 uk supergoose. :daumenhoch:
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cheers for that :daumenhoch:
ive got a friend in virginia usa who said he can probally get his hands on a 84 supergoose for me although looking on the net all afternoon i havent found much about this bike plenty of 83 and uk 84 :(
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cheers for that :daumenhoch:
ive got a friend in virginia usa who said he can probally get his hands on a 84 supergoose for me although looking on the net all afternoon i havent found much about this bike plenty of 83 and uk 84 :(
Personally i didn't think they made them after 83 :-\ ,but they could well of been as i know of a couple of 84 proclass's. someone will know ???
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hmm so it could be a uk 84 supergoose in the usa :D
i started another post about calis being the same as supergooses as i was wondering if it had the wrong decals on it
trust me to like gooses :idiot2: lol
all this digging around and its not 100% i will get the bike yet think i will try get some pics then investigate more
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pics ?
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They did an 84 usa supergoose, so should be ok :daumenhoch:
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cheers jimmyp :daumenhoch: im sure you told me that b4 that they was same as cali frame but without the metal badge you wouldnt have any pics or spec would you ?
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No, a usa supergoose is different from an 85 usa cali. A 85 usa cali is the same as an 84-85 uk supergoose but different head tube badge. Hope this clears things up :D :LolLolLolLol:
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:D think if i get this frame i best let you look at the pics and let me know exactly what it is :daumenhoch: im going round the twist trying to work out what it is :idiot2: perhaps i should have liked burners easier to work out what they are
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well the frame and forks are coming over soon no photos im afraid so will have to take a few when it arrives also will weigh them should help me find out exactly what it is owner claims a super we will see :daumenhoch:
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Hello !
I can buy too a Mongoose Supergoose looptail and it is a 1984 frame too : the serial number is I4000062 who seems to say that's an october 1984 frame, right ? I've already a Eric Rupe Signature (J4000946) with only 1 hole on the brakebridge. The Supergoose that I can buy has 3 holes, no badge but a headsticker, the seattube sticker says "Helia Arc...., Hand crafted .... Moorpark 1983 and has a "Cr-mo maintube" sticker on the toptube. So, is it really a USA Supergoose ? I know that looptails have been made in France, in the mid 80', under Mongoose license.
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I've made a mistake in my description : seattube sticker says "Chatsworth" and not "Moorpark", like I've mentionned. Excuse me.
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Hello !
I can buy too a Mongoose Supergoose looptail and it is a 1984 frame too : the serial number is I4000062 who seems to say that's an october 1984 frame, right ? I've already a Eric Rupe Signature (J4000946) with only 1 hole on the brakebridge. The Supergoose that I can buy has 3 holes, no badge but a headsticker, the seattube sticker says "Helia Arc...., Hand crafted .... Moorpark 1983 and has a "Cr-mo maintube" sticker on the toptube. So, is it really a USA Supergoose ? I know that looptails have been made in France, in the mid 80', under Mongoose license.
Sounds like it. and an ealy 84 made frame. how much got any pics?
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Yes I've pics. I've bought the Supergoose frame. It is not already in my possession, but it will be soon. The frame was stocked in a french shop. The seller said that it's a NOS frame, but it isn't : it has bottom bracket cups and headset cups installed. The price is 100 euros shipped to me.
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Yes I've pics. I've bought the Supergoose frame. It is not already in my possession, but it will be soon. The frame was stocked in a french shop. The seller said that it's a NOS frame, but it isn't : it has bottom bracket cups and headset cups installed. The price is 100 euros shipped to me.
Can i see them?
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and has a "Cr-mo maintube" sticker on the toptube. So, is it really a USA Supergoose ? I know that looptails have been made in France, in the mid 80', under Mongoose license.
Weren't all of the Supergoose/Team Mongoose frames 100% cro-mo, not just cro-mo main tubes (tri-moly)?
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team, supers and pro class were all, always 100% cromo F&F
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About the description of the sticker, I've made a mistake, sorry : it's a "Cromoly mainframe" sticker and not "Cromoly maintube"
sticker. Login_user has seen the pictures about my frame and it's a 1984 US Supergoose.
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finally got the bike bits today from the usa :daumenhoch: will try get some pics on here soon its stickered up as a supergoose has a sakae sr stem mongoose headset pro class bars unstamped and forks not sure if thats the spec for a supergoose as a uk super had a pro class stem correct me if im wrong someone
serial number starts m4k1 so its not an expert as they have a e in the serial number also has 03 stamped on the brake bridge and it has a sticker on the head tube not a metal badge so does that rule out a cali ?
if i can find some scales i will weigh it soon too
fingers crossed it is a super as thats what i really want at the mo but they seem to be non excistant in the usa ive searched other forums and posted asking if any one owns a super over there with no joy
so thats why im questioning what it is hope its a super and not somin else thats been re stickered up
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just noticed a sticker says made in taiwan :-\
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ha dude my expert has not got a E in the serial :D
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M - moor park most likely as it was mongoose HQ usually confirmed by seat tube decal, though most made in taiwan
4 - 1984
k - believed to be the month jan = 1 etc
first how thick are the chain and seat stays ?
pro class thick or californian thick
also calis' seat stays usually sit above the top tube a bit
don't think the expert had an E to identify it
i know mine didn't they all shared a common numbering system
hence why id can be a pain
pics ill def help :daumenhoch:
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i think the m just stands for mongoose mine has m3-L and mine is an expert made chatsworth US 1983...
O NO MONGOOSE TIME :D :D :D :D
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WHATS THE LT OF THE TOP TUBE
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hmm some threads on other sites said experts had an e in the serial number it might be an expert in disguise then
the seat stays are level with the top tube so not a cali then ;)
no pics at the mo lost me cable for me camera >:(
as for thickness they are about 17mm thick
toptube is aprox 17 1/4 inches
cheers fellas
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dude thats the same as my expert ??? cent to cen sould be "18 1/2
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you say its got supergoose dec on what they like :-\
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just read the sticky again on what is a uk supergoose and in it someone says the usa expert frame is the same as a super :idiot2:
so it could well be a super after all
i started this thread as supergoose isnt really heard of over in the us where i got this from so that put a doubt in my mind to what it was
:D
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look if you look at these ............ a= expert.........b=cali......c=pro class,, look were the seat stays meet the top tube if its not (a) then the chain stays have got to be thicker or it a cali :D :D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/goose_expert_lg.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/P1010026.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/PCNEW3.jpg)
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just got supergoose on frame and cro moly sticker on top tube and headtube is like the expert cali ones on down tube its all scratched off but can make out made in taiwan
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uk supergoose (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/mongoosesupergoose3ad-1.jpg)
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:D ;D ;D ;D ;D call it wat you want :crazy2:
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looks identical to the super pic 2 me :daumenhoch:
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ant that supose to be the same as the us expert ?'the top tube is level ;D
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:idiot2: sending me round the twist here if its stickered up as a super then its a super :daumenhoch:
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you seat mast sticker sound diff to the uk supa
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what ever it is all it cost me for frame forks bars stem headset was £40 shipping bargain :coolsmiley:
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this is what my expert look like when it came from the us ..... just found this in my old emails :) (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/3e05_1.jpg)
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wow £40 - frickin bargain
inside, was that a trimoly frame or all tubes ?
it gets very messy with this
my understanding is : (deep breath and go )
in the US they had the pro class, the supergoose, the expert, the californian
pro class and supergoose (US Spec) both had same outside diameter tubing - ie chunky, pro class was thinned wall so much lighter
the cali and expert were a right mixed bag, the expert i owned was an 1984 and was all tubes frame but the rest of spec was all steel
the cali was a tri moly frame but better spec'd - eh go figure ::)
i believe the expert dropped down the list and became entry level later while the cali improved (all tubes etc)
i'm not sure if theres a diff in the two frames in terms of geom' and stuff but it def gets grey and fuzzy with these two from 83 - 85 ish
in the UK we had pro class, UK spec supergoose (see monster thread elsewhere)
which was a all tubes version of either the expert or cali - having a single hole brake bridge and thin rear stays
and the cali & grand prix
mongoose seemed to chop and change all over the place
but bottom line is if its a US spec supergoose it more than likely will be a chunky tube model
i'm gonna go lay down now as my head hurts :D
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cheers fellas im still none the wiser lol got a headache now so off to bed
hopefully find me lead so can put some pics on 2moro for more brain torture :LolLolLolLol:
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just said (main frame) cromo.....ye i agree us supa and proclass would have had thicker chain stays .the cali expert same but cali longer top tube ...when into uk the must have used cali frame sfor supergoose rrrrrr fook it givee up hdbcigicbhbYIGCIBKJ BHB8PGCBJHCB HB BUIC 66766^%£&$^*%$&(*&%%&*r& :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :crazy2:
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hopefully find me lead so can put some pics on 2moro for more brain torture :LolLolLolLol:
yeah with pics sure it can be id'd
just said (main frame) cromo.....ye i agree us supa and proclass would have had thicker chain stays .the cali expert same but cali longer top tube ...when into uk the must rrrrrr fook it givee up hdbcigicbhbYIGCIBKJ BHB8PGCBJHCB HB BUIC 66766^%£&$^*%$&(*&%%&*r&
LOL gotta love mongoose ain't ya :daumenhoch:
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I WAS GOIN TO PICK THIS UP,,, BUT IT CAN STAY WERE IT IS :2funny: (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/288c_1.jpg)
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:LolLolLolLol:
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what would have been wrong with fookin stamping the metal frame :idiot2:
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not sum morse code on the bb, a fookin name of what your buying :knuppel2:
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or a log book like a car :daumenhoch:
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or even if the ferking decals stayed on for min of 30 years it would help >:D
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you goin to build this up...wat pad you goin to use the us or the uk ;D
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just lookin on bmx mus, and seen your post bout any info... this is a photo of a us 83 super. it has a dif seat mast decal to a expert or cali..and diff to the one i think you described on the one you got???? (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/100_1442.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/100_1445.jpg)
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I WAS GOIN TO PICK THIS UP,,, BUT IT CAN STAY WERE IT IS :2funny: (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/288c_1.jpg)
The rear tri looks pretty thick on that baby, where is it? I'll pick it up :LolLolLolLol:
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stickers are the same although half hanging off and scratched up i thought i could make out made in taiwan :coolsmiley: on the white colour sticker perhaps it dont say that lol ineed some one with a super to compare the frame tubing and measurements
perhaps i should stop being paranoid and just go with what its stickered up as but its rare as hell to have a super in the usa from what ive investigated :police:
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my cousin around 1984 bought a supergoose from Dales cycles glasgow. the full bhoona goose so to speak.
except the top tube and bottom tube and rear triangle were a smaller diamater than mine. at the time we just thought they made it lighter/stronger for racing. however on his 1st flat landing on a 4 foot jump the forks just bent forward. so probaly high tensile steel. he used to turn the bars 180 degrees + ram wheel on a wall to straighten em
the tube sizes on my "supposedly" Uk supergoose 3 are....
serial number : G3001418
head tube dia : 37.2 mm / 1.46 " length: 101 mm / 3.97"
top tube dia: 29 mm / 1.14" length: 470mm /18.5" (approx centre of seat tube to centre of head tube)
bottom tube dia : 32mm / 1.25" length: 508mm / 20" (approx. centre head tube to centre BB)
rear triangle dia: 19.2mm / 0.75" length: 354mm / 13.93" ( approx centre of BB to end of looptail tube )
rear triangle height: 210mm / 8.26" from top of BB to centre point of top tube/rear triangle junction
total length of frame: 824mm / 32.44" from front of headtube to rear end of looptail
Ok what is it guys? is it a UK 3 or a pro class, taiwanese job or possible usa? i was told it was a UK 3 .it had no stickers so i just ordered them from Dales
fellow member posted this on the what is a uk supergoose sticky its the exact same dimensions as mine :daumenhoch:
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haaa haa, the story goes on :D with all the info pointing towards a uk super ,i think this is goin to be the likely out come ,, if this goose NEVER turned up in the US but here in the UK, i dont think it would be driving you so mad :D ;D..could this be a UK gooose found in the US :-\
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was me :P
here is the culprit
(http://pichostonline.com/u/080113/d16fd70db3.jpg) (http://pichostonline.com/)
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just read what the M stands for in the 83 --> serial No.s
its
Merida Industries,
the Taiwan company that assembles Mongoose bicycles
got the info from VBMX thread and then googled it to find the above :daumenhoch:
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc161/eloopnai/SS103034.jpg)
at last a photo i started cleaning it up and forgot to take a before pic doh !
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your toptube looks a bigger diamater than the downtube + the looptail tube looks thinner than mine
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think its just the pic as i measured it all and it matched all your measurements :daumenhoch:
looks like its a uk supergoose which is what i wanted :4_17_5:
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It just looks like an 84 cali :-\
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:LolLolLolLol:
ere we go again
calis have different dimensions dont they and top tube and back end dont line up at the seatpost also not a complete cromoly frame???
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serial number? mine is : G3001418
made 1983. but where as the picture earlier shows the taiwanese supergoose 3 with the skinny tubes.
serial numbers + dimensions needed lol :-\ ::)
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:crazy2:
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:LolLolLolLol:
ere we go again
calis have different dimensions dont they and top tube and back end dont line up at the seatpost also not a complete cromoly frame???
Only the early frames i think :-\
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think im gonna stop worrying what it is as it was stickered up with supergoose decals looked to be original what was left of them and i was told it was a super it looks identical to a uk super too
what a head fook :crazy2:
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:LolLolLolLol:
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;D :D (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/cc17/INSIDEOUTLAND/SS103034.jpg) :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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why didnt you tell me thats what it was in the first place :LolLolLolLol: