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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Freestyle (frame stands and kickturns galore!) => Topic started by: ligbee on November 26, 2005, 09:00 PM
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I got hold of a copy of the 85 Kellogs today and have been watching the freestyle, it has hardened the thought that the black crap sold today is just totally non existant as far as style and individuality goes and being stronger is a poor excuse to think that they hold the edge. I've said it before and guess what I'll say it again, FBM-We The People-Mutiny :wtf: are all they about.
KEEP IT OLD SCHOOL.
ligbee.
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true mate very true but i have just got my new school and it does ride nice ,but looks shit
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ligbee, i agree mate , i dont ride so, i just stare and polish , cant beat the old babies ;D
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yep, i have to agree...
I think there is still an echo of old skool class in modern race bikes though but your average ramp/street bike is poop
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With respect, you may be missing the point....
You're right in what you say, no doubt, but strength is an issue and as the designs are refined and perfected then they are gonna end up looking all the same. Just like skateboards and snowboards, only the artwork on those babies sets them apart.
I've just built a bike and I tried hard not to end up with summat that was completely black, and I couldn't do it... >:( But rest assured once its scratched I'll be getting it chromed ;)
Its only fashion. It'll change. I'm already seeing more and more colour at Rom each weekend. check it out next summer :)
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I think it is all changing again as I see more and more of the old colours coming back . You only have to look through the latest copy of Ride to see that all of the big companies have got frames in some of the old school colours. Lime green seems pretty popular. I think that there is a pretty good choice now . I think that black will always popular as it has a lot to do with a certain type of image attatched to BMX.
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my bike is almost all black :(
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My New school "Proper" bike is Red.... Its like fashion, just got to follow it mate!
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My new S&M L.A.F. should be here in a couple of weeks.
Its green!
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/bikes.jpg)
mines not black either :2gunsfiring_v1:
:) DINGO :)
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And this is one of mine
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v411/sanmarcopizza/ResizeSide0975.jpg)
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doh whats up with black?
someone put up a list of whats "trendy" in bmx so i can catch up.
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I was reading on BMXonline an article about the new COO at Haro. He said trading over the last few years has been difficult but Haro has gained market share.
Do you think the reason that sales are down is not because fewer people are into it, but because all the bikes look the same and the thrashed look is in, so there's no point buying a new bike until it breaks.
Looking at the old catalogs, I remember how excited I got each year when the new models came out, even if it was just basically a sticker change. There's very few bikes I look at now and think "Wow".
Actually in the 88 Haro catalog, I found a bike that's got a higher front end and the front brake isn't a potts mod, but otherwise isn't too dis-similar to todays bikes... What do you reckon?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v650/WizardWeb/Haroresponsecopy.jpg)
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it looks manky!!!
but yes modern frames all seem pretty samey.
i think thats what has given people their fixation on top tube lengths, as that is the only difference between frames now.
look back in action bike magazines at the bike tests, and the diagrams of the bikes showing all the angles (notice NOT a TT length in sight) and you will see the bikes were all different. sometimes that was good, sometimes not.
maybe frames now have reached optimum geometry.
and also frames are so tough now, that they dont need replacing so often.
bmx is also very "fashion conscious"
in the late 90's:
xgames aint cool
wide bars aint cool
toptube platforms aint cool
gyro's aint cool
a bike too clean aint cool
bright colours aint cool
wearing a helmet aint cool
now:
big sprockets aint cool
black aint cool
not wearing a helmet aint cool
saying cool aint cool
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn
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it looks manky!!!
LOL !! It's not their best that's for sure ! ;D
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If you ask me, that looks a bit like an attempt at a trials bike. Centre pull brakes, almost 1:1 gearing and a bash guard.
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read the blurb under the pic and see how right you are!
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I'm in shock...have SE produced a new school bike in CHROME ?? :o :o :o Its not black...is it the shape of things to come??
http://www.sebmx.com/2006/bike-detail.asp?id=7
I bet its just over lit silver.
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they've been making them in blue for a while
black is just a popular colour
a bit like everyone who buys a new car, buys one in silver.
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Apparently GT showed a bike in Chrome at Interbike and Hoffman has said dealers ask if chrome is available too.
I still think though that not only do the colours need to change but the frame desing needs to be more individual to each brand too. Just tiny details like different dropouts for instance. In the latest Ride, most of the new frames they review, are near identical.
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That's exactly where i'm coming from wizard.
I dont think Haro would spend all those bucks re-releasing the Sport just to celebrate a birthday, they've looked at the market and noticed the clone situation. The bike will be probably twice as strong as the original but they've broken away from the no style-no inovation theme (no matter what colour it is) and brought out a winner, just needs a Kashimax on it (LOL).
ligbee.
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Comparing old and new school bikes is pretty difficult because the new school designs are becoming more standard for the sake of functionability, the cost of which is that modern designs lose their individuality. So the whole 'what's best' argument is a matter of opinion based on what you want the bike for.
Personally, I only use my bike for normal riding now and think i'm the mutt's nuts if I can bunnyhop a kerb without coming off. So for me everytime i'd go for the classic styling and innovation of the old school stuff. The attraction for me of the old school rides is the pure inventiveness of the designs and while I appreciate that a lot of the old school stuff wouldn't last as long as the new, bombproof framesets these days, there's just no way i'd ever take a new school frame over something like an old school Haro freestyler, a Quadangle or a GT Performer. :rant:
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My lad's having a Ruption 18" for xmas (not the best but no Hoffmans around till March). Got a choice of yellow (which I liked)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v627/brimfull/my%20bikes/rdx18_yell.jpg)
but no it's not cool enough he wants the black
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v627/brimfull/my%20bikes/rdx18_blk.jpg)
Kids today :idiot2:
Steve
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yeh its got to be old school,does anybody get excited by a new school catalogue...no thought not.
They all look the same,the 80,s stood for innovation and character. :angrysoapbox:
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My advice...never say 'never'...
You'll be surprised at just how different new school bikes/frames are when you really research them.
The simplicity of design is where the beauty is now and colours are coming back big time.
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wots wrong with a nice satin black bike they look cool(http://[IMG]http://i91.photobucket)
but can see what yer mean the new frames all look alike
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some of the nu skool frames and parts are now beautifully machined and available in all sorts of colours/anoidised colours.
if you chosse items carefully (coloured spokes/nipples/hubs/sprockets etc) you can build up a real nice looking bling bike
also in brighton all the nu skool kids have given their black bikes make overs, i've never seen so many colours, even spraying their rims two tone etc
saying that i now fancy a black chrome bike :LolLolLolLol:
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saying that i now fancy a black chrome bike
:LolLolLolLol: funny you should say that, it just so happens that I'm building a black/chrome bike at the minute, never had a black bike before apart from one I sold on without riding/restoring and another I stripped to paint a proper colour :LolLolLolLol:
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cool is it black and chrome? or black chrome like a night burner?
black and gold nu skool bikes look cool too, how about a deep metalic black or two tone balck and dark metallic silver
when most of the youngsters respray their bikes, they usually look a mess, overspray on tyres, spokes etc, not like us oldies who sprip them down, primer, fill the chips, wet and dry etc ;D
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This is New School & not black :daumenhoch:
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v201/Mattdub/GHPProXL8.jpg)
Matt
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cool is it black and chrome? or black chrome like a night burner?
Just black and chrome (with a little bit of white).
A black chrome new school frame sounds wicked :daumenhoch:
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i'm a bit of a liddite also, for me OS bikes just have that same sex appeal something like an Aston Martin DB5 has. a je ne se quoi, but then half of me loves the era as well as the bikes
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keira knightly is beautiful, fatama whitbread is strong who would you rather ride?
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New school rules and I am 40. As much as I loved the 80's and had the time of my life the Bikes are better now. I have broken a few old school bikes bitd bikes like a Haro gen 1 a Torker or two And several G.T Performers oh and a P.K Ripper.
I had a go on a friends old school ride (Haro sport) a few weeks ago at the skatepark and it felt weak and fragile compared to my new school bike.
If you are bmxing for nostalgic reasons then old school is fine but if like me you are 4 stone heavier and still going for it then you have no choice but to go new school.
My bike is black but so was a Performer I took on the G.T world tour in 84. I am getting a old school ride but just for nostalgic reasons.
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I have broken a few old school bikes bitd bikes like a Haro gen 1
I hope RomBloke doesn't see this. ;D
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I have broken a few old school bikes bitd bikes like a Haro gen 1
I hope RomBloke doesn't see this. ;D
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I have seen a lot of bust gen 1 frames and they all crack in the same place on the gusset. I was gutted when mine broke and I was only 11 stone then.
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You'll make him cry! ;D
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his ones got a crack in the gusset any how
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I ride a DK Dayton and even though its nothing special it is a lot better than any bike I had in the 80's. I did get a lot more excited back then about a new bike and I think thats what you are trying to recapture with these old school bikes. I was never into the bright colour thing although I did have a lavender Performer once. Its all about what floats your boat and if you feel you are keeping the faith with an old school ride the good on you but its new school and black all the way for me these days.