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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Topic started by: rakas17 on March 07, 2007, 12:46 PM
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just got this in the post... stodgy tells me that the green on the forks is an original colour, if so i'd quite like to see a pic of one in this colour. it looks like its been resprayed about 4 or 5 times. there is a yellow under the green that looks more like it as the original colour due to the fact that the green layer is real thin and the yellow is much thicker and glossy...
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cheers for lookin, any comments welcome. :daumenhoch: joe
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great stuff,get it built up :)
has it a serial number inside rear dropout i think.
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forgot this one
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b253/rakas17/DSCF1841.jpg)
cant see a serial number, stodgy says it wont have one..
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ramp room then is it faze 2
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whats faze 2?
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well 1st model i mean that hoffman made not a gen2
se made the first model the hoff built his own
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i am trying to learn as well.
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GOOD FIND DUDE!!! :daumenhoch:
By the peg bosses, I would say that is an SE made Mk1b, probably very late 92/early 93 (as it has the thicker drop outs). The green forks look like Mk1 forks, definately SE made with just holes. But does it have the slight bend down the legs as you look at them square on?
There is some confusion on when Hoffman moved production from SE to the ramp room...some sources say it happened with the introduction of the 93 model, others say with the intro of the 94 model...it's all a bit confusing, but I'm going to try and phone Oklahoma tonight to see if I can find out more before posting any further id's.
It'll be great to get the paint stripped off that one to see how it stands...looks like there is a bend in the right hand seat stay that shouldn't be there - but Fuzzynod's mate should be able to correct that easily!
Again, brilliant score. Sweet as.
The Condors are most definately rising.
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Ooo forgot to say late 93/94 stickers on the forks and 95 stickers on the frame.
And the green was an original colour in the last half of 93...but I belive it was darker than that...I've got a pic at home...
:)
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tis a beauty not alot gets past hawk eye stodgy :4_17_5:
we need to find a few more ,early hoff models there are far to little.
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cool, i'll match the colours that are on there to pantone chips before i strip it... i've got loads of projects on the go at the mo so it might take a back seat for a while.
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very nice. at last we've found one that wont need new dropouts....
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that seat stay should be a reasonably easy repair.
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very nice. at last we've found one that wont need new dropouts....
;D makes a change, eh?!
And yep the seat stay will be an easy job...
:daumenhoch:
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What a great find 8)
These Hoffman threads are the most interesting thing on here, superb source of info.
Craig
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thats a quality find right there - looking forward to building up my condor, but would love to get one of the early ones :smitten:
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I tell you as soon as I'm in righteous employment again and have got a bit of cash behind me I'm going to build myself a hoffman.
Fell in love with Fuzzy's white bike at Bristol then Dave's Flash. Would love an early condor though.
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Hoffman's are crap. Freaky bikes with shite angles. I would recommend everyone just getting rid and dumping them...round at my house. I'll dispose of them for ya.
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man...stodgy.....whoah whoah.........ffs ....shtum!
everyone likes them now!
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Okay. Dump them at Phil's house instead.
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how do i go about gettin that bend out.? i could give it to fuzzys man but i'd rathewr do stuff myself. what d'ya reckon to sticking it in a vice and yanking it?
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noooooooooo
it will need heating then tempting out not bashing or yanking.
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it looked a bit shady on closer inspection so i started scrapin the paint away and there was a ton of filler and underneath it was steel and bronzy . some sort of repair job..
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b253/rakas17/DSCF1851.jpg)
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that is o so normal these bikes where ridden hard as they should be
or pack it up and send it my way :LolLolLolLol: :smitten:
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battle scars youve just got to love em.
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They were ridden hard dude - I'd build that one up as a survivor...battle scars and all!
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I tell you as soon as I'm in righteous employment again and have got a bit of cash behind me I'm going to build myself a hoffman.
Fell in love with Fuzzy's white bike at Bristol then Dave's Flash. Would love an early condor though.
Er hum may I draw your attention to. http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=30539.0 I Thank you :LolLolLolLol:
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shameless... how much would your mate charge me to straighten this offending seat stay then? where is he based?
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I have just been comparing you frame to my own which is an early SE built one it has the same thin drop outs and the small wall thickness peg tubes on the rear I would say that yours is of the same Vintage an early production frame from S.E. With the relaxed head tube angle at 70 degrees.They ride lovely on ramps.Mine was brought from Backyard in Hastings in August 92.
As there is no sign of Chrome it would have been blue the closest Match is Peugeot indigo blue.
The replacement of that tube is about 2 hrs work and with materials would cost £90 +Vat
A link to the pics of my frame and the work.
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=22390.0
Great find :smitten: The Guy said it was the first one in France I dont think he was lying
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Oh by the way not wishing to seem anal but the guy carved to the left judging by the damage to the right hand rear peg mount.
Help I think im losing it :idiot2:
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I tell you as soon as I'm in righteous employment again and have got a bit of cash behind me I'm going to build myself a hoffman.
Fell in love with Fuzzy's white bike at Bristol then Dave's Flash. Would love an early condor though.
Er hum may I draw your attention to. http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=30539.0 I Thank you :LolLolLolLol:
Please don't tempt me I loved that bike when you had it built up. I really wish I could afford it but I've got to pay back just over 200 in overpaid wages from my last job. :'(
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I have just been comparing you frame to my own which is an early SE built one it has the same thin drop outs and the small wall thickness peg tubes on the rear I would say that yours is of the same Vintage an early production frame from S.E. With the relaxed head tube angle at 70 degrees.They ride lovely on ramps.Mine was brought from Backyard in Hastings in August 92.
As there is no sign of Chrome it would have been blue the closest Match is Peugeot indigo blue.
The replacement of that tube is about 2 hrs work and with materials would cost £90 +Vat
A link to the pics of my frame and the work.
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=22390.0
Great find :smitten: The Guy said it was the first one in France I dont think he was lying
Rakas...are you sure those drop outs are 5mm as you said? 'Cause I think Fuzzy is right...they do look thinner...perhaps it's all the paint padding them out?
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just measured them again, they're deffo 5mm ish, certainly no less than 4.5mm. they are pretty battered but i used my verniers.
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i trust your verniers.
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i'm trying to get to the bottom of the "what colour was it" subject.. fuzzy reckon it was blue but theres deffo no sign of blue, in this first pic you can see.... black powder coat, grey primer, thin coat of dark green,thick coat of shiny pale yellow, yellowy primer then metal. theres no blue on the frame at all.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b253/rakas17/DSCF1852.jpg)
next two pics you can see where its rusty and the powder, grey and green have flaked off leaving this gloss yellow which is stuck on good.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b253/rakas17/DSCF1853.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b253/rakas17/DSCF1854.jpg)
the forks are a different story.. looking at the steerer.... green on top, shiny pale yellow then the elusive blue
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right, heres my theory by lookin at what i've got. forks were blue in the factory, they wanted a yellow bike so the blank frame and blue forks were painted yellow.. an owner of the bike then sprayed it green, mangled the seat stay had it fixed primed then powdered black.. the green went on before the repair cos theres no green on that area...
if this is the case then i will repaint it yellow, question is.... what frickin colour stickers does it need?
so hoffman boys, what do you think? bearing in mind that as far as everyone thought they came in chrome or blue and theres no way this was either...
joe
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for me green or blue.
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photo shop it.
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v260/oberonspacefruit/RIMG2758.jpg)
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Okay this is my theory:
1) F&F left SE factory in Blue and shipped to France.
2) Heathen French twonk strips the blue (missing a bit at the top of the fork steering tube).
3) Heathen French twonk then re-sprays it a homosexual yellow to prove that he is in touch with his feminin side.
4) Heathen French twonk then spends too much on garlic and snails that he can't afford a new frame, so sets about re-spraying it every year to match his latest cravat.
5) Man in UK buys frame on ebay, to hopefully save it, understand it, love it and restore it to it's former beauty.
IMO it has to go either Blue or Chrome - it's a Mk1 SE Condor FFS, you should be true to it's heritage.
Read Mat Hoffman's book and you'll have a whole new level of respect for what you have.
If you do it yellow, both me and fuzzynod will set fire to you at MK.
So there.
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dont get me wrong, i want it like it should have been but if you saw the frame you'd know what i mean about no blue. i cant imagine he would have stripped it to the metal... the forks were blue all over cos you can see bits of it on the drop outs...
i'll do it blue if thats what it was but i cant be sure and i like the idea that mine is different to the others...
mmmmmmmmmm still waiting for a reply from frenchy about what it used to look like
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It's your bike dude, so you do it how you want. But for me, there is only two choices; blue or chrome...OR it could have been Chrome Frame with Blue forks. Hoffman used to ride Blue frame with Chrome forks...so there must be a couple of sets around that were opposite...just a thought.
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after further inspection and paint scratching its clear that there is no blue on the fork legs apart from round the dropouts, there for indicating that they probably were stripped and maybe also the frame, so i thought i'd dig into the paint on the frame where stripper might not have got and low and behold inside the bottom bracket is some blue paint.. :4_17_5: for mr stodgy, your theory was spot on except the cravat part, i reckon he was matching the colour of his beret. ;D ;D
so blue it is then, although i wouldn't mind having the chrome forks like in the pics on that other thread..
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Or he could have been matching the ladies underwear he had on...damn French.
Nice one dude! Now read the book and you'll love it even more!
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after further inspection and paint scratching its clear that there is no blue on the fork legs apart from round the dropouts, there for indicating that they probably were stripped and maybe also the frame, so i thought i'd dig into the paint on the frame where stripper might not have got and low and behold inside the bottom bracket is some blue paint.. :4_17_5: for mr stodgy, your theory was spot on except the cravat part, i reckon he was matching the colour of his beret. ;D ;D
so blue it is then, although i wouldn't mind having the chrome forks like in the pics on that other thread..
Thats exactly where I found enough paint to colour match, when I spoke to Mark Owen who has worked for/with Mat since day one he told me that the frames came bare from S.E then they were either polished and sent for chroming or cleaned and sent to a local paint shop to be painted POSTAL BLUE this is a US postal service colour and i had a mate who works for a auto paint company try and track down the mix to no avail. So we came up with Peugeot Indigo blue as used on the 106 etc.
Mark also said that they were selling faster than they could process them so they had no time or need to vary the colourway.
If you think yours is bad check oout my one http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=7564.msg84956#msg84956 .
For future reference the early S.E made bikes had 3/16" OR 5.07mm dropouts and a 70degree headtube.The later Ramp room built bikes had 1/4" or 6.35mm dropouts and a 72degree headtube angle.
So happy you are going blue :smitten:
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cool. apart from dropouts i think mine is in far worse condition. oh well, i wanted a project.. i think i'm goona strip it and sort out all the dents and stuff but leave the crooked seat stay as a homage to its action days. that and the budget, i think its cool for it to have a bit of character... also i don't think i'm gonna build it part specific, just era specific so i can add my own bit of flava...
do your stickers look more green in the flesh cos they look well yellowy on the computer.?
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Yeah they are almost exact green but Stodgy is working on the updated version as we speak.You will be amazed what difference a beadblast will make to the look of the frame.
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my mate that does chroming is gonna dip it for me, do you think that will be enough or will it need a blast as well. i've got a shotblaster at my work but the grit isn't very heavy duty and it takes ages to get any serious results..
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I would have thought the dip should do the job just the blasting gives a good key for the paint.
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Guys, I just want to say thanks for keeping us up to date on this thread, I'm learning heaps here and am enjoying the reading :daumenhoch:
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Ah, another happy ending in mid-school...'tis the section to be seen in!
:daumenhoch: