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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Retrodan72 on January 18, 2016, 04:54 PM
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You see very few of these here on RAD, probably a stigma associated with the Burner name. But really, what's not to like, Tange made, so good quality, good geometry, light and as factory spec, came with some decent components.
So let's dedicate this thread to Aero Pro's/Team Aero Pro's/Pro Race's.
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I don't understand the burner stigma. A lot of people starting out in bmx rode burners or other low end bikes. Most of my mates and me included started out on low end bikes, and I think to most people their first bmx will always be the one they have the fondest memories of.
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I don't understand the burner stigma. A lot of people starting out in bmx rode burners or other low end bikes. Most of my mates and me included started out on low end bikes, and I think to most people their first bmx will always be the one they have the fondest memories of.
I agree mate, I never had one BITD, but have built a few since 2008. Their best attribute is the waves of nostalgia that they create, but their worst are that they're heavy with poor geometry, not that many of us would have cared back then - you got what you were given.
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I don't understand the burner stigma. A lot of people starting out in bmx rode burners or other low end bikes. Most of my mates and me included started out on low end bikes, and I think to most people their first bmx will always be the one they have the fondest memories of.
Because with the exception of the Aero Pro, they were shocking....heavy and rubbish to ride due to the geometry. Sure, a lot of people started on them and for that reason they have a high nostalgic value. Some of them actually came with half decent parts but were all hampered by the frame. They may also have been the reason why many did not progress in BMX! Anyone who was half serious about riding couldn't wait til they had saved/ scrounged enough to upgrade at least the frameset.
My first BMX was not much better, a HEAVY Taiwanese Dragon freestyler which I struggled to wheelie...I hated it and could not wait to see the back of it...It has taken 30 years and lots of narcotics to erase all but a vague recollection of it!
if someone offered me one today I would probably feel sick......
BTW great thread Dan, love an Aero Pro...Will be nice to see what turns up...I would love one in team colours :daumenhoch:
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Lovely bikes Dan :daumenhoch:
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I myself had a few Burners which was the only bikes we (well parents) could afford.
If it wasn't for the halfords payment club I doubt I would have had one.
Had a ultra burner but to be honest it was shite but I loved it..
The best day was when I swapped all the bits onto my rebel pro frame and forks
what a "difference" :smitten: went onto do much more on this..
We all cut our teeth on them and broke them as the frames always snapped.. ::)
Here is my aero pro.
And building another aero pro in team colours which I am planning on racing in the old farts group this year.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/adyseries/Aero%20pro%201984%20new%20pics%202015/DSC00783.jpg) (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/adyseries/media/Aero%20pro%201984%20new%20pics%202015/DSC00783.jpg.html)
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AND ME BITCHES.
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very nice :daumenhoch:
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I might know where there is a nos tange 300 headset in black :whistle:
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I myself had a few Burners which was the only bikes we (well parents) could afford.
If it wasn't for the halfords payment club I doubt I would have had one.
Had a ultra burner but to be honest it was shite but I loved it..
The best day was when I swapped all the bits onto my rebel pro frame and forks
what a "difference" :smitten: went onto do much more on this..
We all cut our teeth on them and broke them as the frames always snapped.. ::)
Here is my aero pro.
And building another aero pro in team colours which I am planning on racing in the old farts group this year.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/adyseries/Aero%20pro%201984%20new%20pics%202015/DSC00783.jpg) (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/adyseries/media/Aero%20pro%201984%20new%20pics%202015/DSC00783.jpg.html)
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AND ME BITCHES.
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That's a beaut Ady. :smitten:
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I got one somewhere
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g243/gashead69/4ec35213cec5468561a436c939415492_zps44a9a376.jpg)
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Ant factory pilot,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/af3/dancetothedrummersbeat/a0e7eba30e2c435d0f20a0c32a95816a876363a32d6553c1eee3edd849c7bf73_zpstodmmmrv.jpg) (http://s988.photobucket.com/user/dancetothedrummersbeat/media/a0e7eba30e2c435d0f20a0c32a95816a876363a32d6553c1eee3edd849c7bf73_zpstodmmmrv.jpg.html)
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I know I rib Tony and co about Burners but yes they do have a place in British BMX history. Raleigh was such a safe bet when buying a bike in the 70/80s but they faled miserably with the MK1 especially. Although I never owned one (phew!!!) I did once ride my cousins Super Burner from Smuggy c**thorpe to Brigg. If any of you know the A18 frm Scunny to Brigg you will appreciate what fooking stupid idea this was. How we didn't die riding past the steel works I'll never know. They were just awful to ride, too short and badly designed. It's a shame really but when their factory team had to sticker up Tange frames as their own it's a bad show for British industry. That said, they weren't on their own, Falcon did exactly the same thing with the big lads riding the Rhino Charge, the mediums the Rhino III and the little uns the Tange mini.
Love em or loath em they are iconic and will always turn heads of those who mutter "Oh look a Burner, I had one of those...."
:Great_Britain:
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Because they were shocking....heavy and rubbish to ride due to the geometry. Sure, a lot of people started on them and for that reason they have a high nostalgic value.
That is the nail on the head. Most of us had one to start (there was 30 of us who you used to hang around together) with, but it wasn't until my mate Lee got his Torker, that we all knew what we were missing out on. The Pro Burner frame I had was not too bad, but I started on a Super Burner, followed my a Super Tuff Burner. Swapping out to my Torker was a an absolute dream, and the progress we made just in riding, let alone tricks and jumps, was immense.
By the time the Aero Pro came out, we had all but forgotten Raleigh Burners and had moved on to light, decent frame sets.
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Ant factory pilot,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/af3/dancetothedrummersbeat/a0e7eba30e2c435d0f20a0c32a95816a876363a32d6553c1eee3edd849c7bf73_zpstodmmmrv.jpg) (http://s988.photobucket.com/user/dancetothedrummersbeat/media/a0e7eba30e2c435d0f20a0c32a95816a876363a32d6553c1eee3edd849c7bf73_zpstodmmmrv.jpg.html)
::) :tumbleweed: ... Give me a couple of months and I'll post the finished thing up lads! :LolLolLolLol:
I bloody love 'em personally... I loved all the burners bitd but the Aero Pro was the one I always dreamed of...
Love the decals and the chrome and the clean black parts ... Pure class :4_17_5:
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I think anyone who knows anything about OSBMX, knows that the TAP/AP are nothing but quality race bikes. Equal to any of the top US brands that had bikes out of Japan at that time.
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I love an AP. although I do really like the pro race version with the light blue decals, I'd give up a haro for one of them.
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I love an AP. although I do really like the pro race version with the light blue decals, I'd give up a haro for one of them.
I just had to look that one up...never seen one before! are they super rare?
I don't really like the decals...remind me too much of the Raleigh Styler :-\
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I might know where there is a nos tange 300 headset in black :whistle:
Was gonna mention that :teef:
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I love an AP. although I do really like the pro race version with the light blue decals, I'd give up a haro for one of them.
I just had to look that one up...never seen one before! are they super rare?
I don't really like the decals...remind me too much of the Raleigh Styler :-\
They release a few around late '85 to celebrate winning the Worlds.
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I love an AP. although I do really like the pro race version with the light blue decals, I'd give up a haro for one of them.
I just had to look that one up...never seen one before! are they super rare?
I don't really like the decals...remind me too much of the Raleigh Styler :-\
They release a few around late '85 to celebrate winning the Worlds.
Right, I see....always learning stuff on this forum, that's what I love about it. That would make it pretty rare then...do you know roughly how many they made?
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I love an AP. although I do really like the pro race version with the light blue decals, I'd give up a haro for one of them.
I just had to look that one up...never seen one before! are they super rare?
I don't really like the decals...remind me too much of the Raleigh Styler :-\
They release a few around late '85 to celebrate winning the Worlds.
Right, I see....always learning stuff on this forum, that's what I love about it. That would make it pretty rare then...do you know roughly how many they made?
I don't tbh Damo, but Beard or Julian Taff will be able to say.
I think some Koizumi made Cromo's were done the same way, just using different colours.
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Hasn't Tony Lee got one of these?
I could be wrong ? ::)
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Yea he has Ant. 😜 a koizumi team AP, and my chrome tange pro race. Il get some pics up later.
Btw, the mk1 and mk2 ultra burners came with top spec parts. Arayas, suntour stem, sugino crank set, alloy bars. DC 1020 Brakes. i remember my bros mk1 standard burner actually came with a kashi mx sear and chrome/steel arayas..??!!
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Yea he has Ant. 😜 a koizumi team AP, and my chrome tange pro race. Il get some pics up later.
Btw, the mk1 and mk2 ultra burners came with top spec parts. Arayas, suntour stem, sugino crank set, alloy bars. DC 1020 Brakes. i remember my bros mk1 standard burner actually came with a kashi mx sear and chrome/steel arayas..??!!
You can put lipstick on a pig but underneath it's still a pig!
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Yea he has Ant. 😜 a koizumi team AP, and my chrome tange pro race. Il get some pics up later.
Btw, the mk1 and mk2 ultra burners came with top spec parts. Arayas, suntour stem, sugino crank set, alloy bars. DC 1020 Brakes. i remember my bros mk1 standard burner actually came with a kashi mx sear and chrome/steel arayas..??!!
I thought all AP's and TAP's were Tange made??
You learn something new every day in this hobby.
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:nickswan: ;)
Yea he has Ant. 😜 a koizumi team AP, and my chrome tange pro race. Il get some pics up later.
Btw, the mk1 and mk2 ultra burners came with top spec parts. Arayas, suntour stem, sugino crank set, alloy bars. DC 1020 Brakes. i remember my bros mk1 standard burner actually came with a kashi mx sear and chrome/steel arayas..??!!
You can put lipstick on a pig but underneath it's still a pig!
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Koizuma are the more rare frame sets dan, but of corse, tange the more sought after as its "tange"...... Or so iv been told in the past😉
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:nickswan: :LolLolLolLol: love it!
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There's a distinct lack of Team Aero Pro's in this thread, so here's some of Julian's, I'm sure he won't object to me showing them.
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Of course, these are just a few that I've hand picked from his amazing collection.
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Here's my 84 Tange Team Ap survivor. Almost 100% original.
The koizumi ones came with tange arx forks and had crimped chain stays and the usual serial number on the rear drop out. I heard koizumi stepped in when tange couldn't keep up with demand.
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Mine will go up soon
Once it's finished lol
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Always liked Burners. 8) Probably the biggest selling BMX in the UK. :daumenhoch:
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The Aero Pro/Team burners are really cool, but they're not really burners are they? Discuss....
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The Aero Pro/Team burners are really cool, but they're not really burners are they? Discuss....
Yes.
Most BMX brands in the 80's outsourced framebuilding either from the outset like Kuwahara (Tange) or Diamond Back (Koizumi) or when it became more cost effective GT (Koizumi, Kinesis, Giant etc etc) Haro (Akisu).
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I've got a couple ( and some of Julian's were built from framesets he got from me!)
This was/is a NOS frameset built up with nos red parts instead of black:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v614/retrogeezer1/IMG_1443.jpg)
And this was Team rider Paula Dibben's race bike, a Koizumi frameset and as it was found/last raced. A really old pic, I've had it since 2002/3 and it's tucked away in storage.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v614/retrogeezer1/teampro.jpg)
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Very nice😊 Loving the Team Pro racer. I actually prefer them (these days) without the Tuffs.
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Love the Aero Pro other than those silly chain guards they put on them, just don't look right to me :-\
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I'm not keen either but I built it as close to factory but red bits as I could. Of course, these days it would have reflectors too but we didn't do daft stuff like that 15 years ago!
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She's a belter Dan and I understand why you built it with one.....I just think they look so crap compared to the rest of the bike ;D
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Dan? :LolLolLolLol:
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:idiot2: Si :-[
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:LolLolLolLol:
the original 'retro' :)
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Love the Aero Pro other than those silly chain guards they put on them, just don't look right to me :-\
It's weird Rob but I've had to source one to put on my survivor build as it was missing ... I wasn't sure myself but I feel as its kinda going to be 99% factory spec that it wouldn't look right without it :-[
It's all apples and oranges I guess! 8)
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For sure mate, I completely understand putting it on.....id do the same, I just meant it was a strange addition from new
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Best one I've ever seen was a baby blue one done with black parts.
One of the best bikes I've seen on here.
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Like 'em or not, Burners are a big part of British old school history. I never had one bitd but coveted my friend's AP, being the nearest I was ever going to get to a Laserlite!! :D I'm therefore always going to have a soft spot for these, so keep 'em coming! :daumenhoch:
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custom T3 AeroPro
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For those who missed this ( there can't be many lol ! ) my Nottingham built via Japan pride and joy ...
84 Aero Pro
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I don't understand the burner stigma. A lot of people starting out in bmx rode burners or other low end bikes. Most of my mates and me included started out on low end bikes, and I think to most people their first bmx will always be the one they have the fondest memories of.
I agree mate, I never had one BITD, but have built a few since 2008. Their best attribute is the waves of nostalgia that they create, but their worst are that they're heavy with poor geometry, not that many of us would have cared back then - you got what you were given.
Most of us are now heavy with poor geometry Dan ??? ;D
Great thread - only just seen this. Some lovely builds posted up already. I started out on a SuperTUFF Burner and have a mintola Mk1 Ultra in my stash (never ridden it), and I will always have a soft spot for them, in whatever guise. A lot of this hobby is about the memories certain bikes evoke, and for a lot of us Burners are at the very heart of these.
I'd quite like to get my hands on one of these one day I think.
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Just the wheels to build on mine and its done
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Get on with it then Rich
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Here's my survivor TAP fistblump
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v629/benno5/630698AA-90FE-44AC-8E2F-9B7265C0EC2E.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/benno5/media/630698AA-90FE-44AC-8E2F-9B7265C0EC2E.jpg.html)
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My 2x 85 Tange framed Tap's added :)
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq185/miltektec/IMG_3754_zpsubkrjifx.jpg) (http://s446.photobucket.com/user/miltektec/media/IMG_3754_zpsubkrjifx.jpg.html)
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq185/miltektec/IMG_3753_zpsghavv3mh.jpg) (http://s446.photobucket.com/user/miltektec/media/IMG_3753_zpsghavv3mh.jpg.html)
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My Team Aero Pro.
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u206/b45t4rdtorker/CIMG0009.jpg) (http://s169.photobucket.com/user/b45t4rdtorker/media/CIMG0009.jpg.html)
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Those Team APs are gorgeous aren't they .... "wantit"
Just when you think you've got your addiction under control .... ::) :LolLolLolLol:
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To say Raleighs failure to produce a decent entry level bike is the singular reason most kids didn't progress utter nonsense, I've read this sort of BS on forums for years, most of the kids who were going to progress further did and those that didn't, didn't for a variety of reasons, lack of cash being the main one.
Yes the basic models were poor, Raleigh pinched frame design from Raleigh USAs Rampar, compare a Rampar R10 from 1976 (influenced by the Redline Squareback etc) and Raleigh Mk1 Burner from 1982 they are virtually the same bike. They were cheap to make as most used hi-ten steel and they tweeked the seat-tube to accept the seatposts from other bikes they made in the UK. Unfortunately it was a very out dated design dating from the mid 70's but it was tough and that's what Raleigh would have wanted as they had a reputation for selling quality bikes that lasted. I dare say Raleigh knew the vast majority of these bikes would be very unlikely ever to hit a race track and far more likely to hit the streets as general transport for going to school, paper rounds and the like so they had to be tough and they bloody were.
If there hadn't been a Raleigh Burner a lot of kids would never have got into BMX in the first place.