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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Topic started by: kev-s on January 03, 2012, 06:47 PM
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just been looking at some murray stay holmes frames on bmxmuseum and noticed some come with headtube gussets and some without ??? ???
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In't that the same with some earlier MK1 Holmes as well (or am I talking b0llocks)?
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not sure about the mk1 holmes, mine had a gusset and dont think ive seen one without, i know there was some early widowmakers without a gusset
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Mk1 and mk2 dirtbikes were made with and without gussets. I think it was down to who made it, where it was made, what day of the week it was, and if they'd run out of gussets! Haha
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lol thats prob why then
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Did you notice some of em have a tubular chain stay bridge and the seat tubes drilled for a cable
Mines a flat bridge, no hole in the seat tube
It has the front gussets but they've got hairline cracks... :'(
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it seems all the early s&m are mish mash of different tubing from slightly earlier or later models, maybe down to all the different manufactuers and chainging designs and then back etc...
havent seen hardly any mk3 holmes that differ from the norm so maybe thats when everything got standardised
the only one ive seen is that mk3 holmes on ebay with 2 peice dropouts and flat plate brake and seat stay bridges :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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Mk3.... :LolLolLolLol:
Did you spot this the other week?....
Never seen one with dropouts like this before?
Not to mention the serial.... or lack of one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250957329041'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
There's a 92 without gussets on the bay at the mo... ;)
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im sure that one has been on ebay before, i remember that gap!!!
its quite surprisng how much used to slip through the quality control back then, prob why moeller moved everything inhouse
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I didn't notice the gap, the welds round the outside of the dropouts haven't been smoothed out where the 2 dropouts were welded together.... i should have said in my earlier post... :crazy2:
Shocking quality control... :police:
Good job they're no longer around today... :knuppel2:
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Mark you've got a proper cheek calling me a geek :yahoo_silent: :D
Flat tubular chainstayed rear murray stay outside welded gusset mk1and 3/4 double dropouted unlugged Widowchallenger,,,,
made in 92 or 93 ? :idiot2:
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Mark you've got a proper cheek calling me a geek :yahoo_silent: :D
Flat tubular chainstayed rear murray stay outside welded gusset mk1and 3/4 double dropouted unlugged Widowchallenger,,,,
made in 92 or 93 ? :idiot2:
:LolLolLolLol:
I know.... :crazy2:
I think the frame you've described could be a 94 though... :D
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:crazy2: 94 !!! ::) tut :crazy2:
Yeah I was gonna say that :angel: :D
3rd Tuesday in June :LolLolLolLol:
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Always loved the Murray Stay Holmes. Here's mine....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1131.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1132.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1135.jpg)
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Always loved the Murray Stay Holmes. Here's mine....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1131.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1132.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1135.jpg)
fook me dude, you've got some shit bikes!
:LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
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Always loved the Murray Stay Holmes. Here's mine....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1131.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1132.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i125/revcore/Mixed%20Pictures%20001/IMGP1135.jpg)
fook me dude, you've got some shit bikes!
:LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
Glad you like it :daumenhoch:
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Yep that's awesome revcore... :daumenhoch:
May as well chuck mine in....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/7-6-11014.jpg)
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Yep that's awesome revcore... :daumenhoch:
May as well chuck mine in....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/7-6-11014.jpg)
Super nice Holmes....Love that Vetta seat too. I was looking for a Vetta seat the same as yours when I was building my Holmes but couldn't find one.
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Nothing at S&M was ever set in stone... 990 mounts, gussets, dropout thickness, cable guides, even stickers.. always varied.
Even now ... my custom ATF arrived... without a toptube gusset like it should have ! Bloody Friday at 4pm frames eh? !!!
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Might as well post up a pic of my Mk2 Holmes. If only do dilute the amount of chrome on this thread! ;)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/Mk2Holmes1-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/19Built.jpg)
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:coolsmiley: :coolsmiley: :coolsmiley:
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Anyone spot this little beaut.... :4_17_5:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-EARLY-1990s-1991-1992-S-M-HOLMES-XL-HOT-TEMPER-FRAME-FORK-XXL-DK-STEM-/250968771654?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a6ee78c46#ht_8862wt_1063
Very rare decals... 8)
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Wow, thats a nice one. :shocked:
Those decals always make me think of Todd Lyons cos he was riding a Holmes with them in an Interview he had. At the time it always confused me. Why would you want people to think you were riding a Haro :crazy2:
It went pretty high. It cant all have been for the DK stem can it :-\
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Prices do seem high, especially in the states
Check this one, no gusset, £164 for the frame only
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320822720239'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_969
Seller split the frame/forks.... :-\
£80 for the forks
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220924579357'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_969
That's £244 for the frame/forks!
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This is all making the Mk1 for sale on RAD look a bargain
(and yes, I would have bought the red mk1 in a second if I had the money! :smitten:)
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some nice frames there :daumenhoch:
i was tempted to buy the red one too alex but my road bike needed to come first unfortunatly, any luck with that one u were after?
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looks like my dirtbike off stodgy was a right bargain.£115 posted i think i paid. :)
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i was tempted to buy the red one too alex but my road bike needed to come first unfortunatly, any luck with that one u were after?
Kev, that WAS the one I was after. I had a look at funds and had to back down. :'(
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looks like my dirtbike off stodgy was a right bargain.£115 posted i think i paid. :)
That was a great price, but Im guessing it was a mk2 Dirtbike. mk1 & mk2 Holmes, and mk1 Dirtbikes are a whole 'nother league of rarity and cost :shocked:
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one on american ebay at the mo
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/93-S-M-S-M-OLD-SCHOOL-BMX-HOLMES-XL-FRAME-FORK-/120841646057?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c22b92fe9#ht_500wt_969
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This is all making the Mk1 for sale on RAD look a bargain
(and yes, I would have bought the red mk1 in a second if I had the money! :smitten:)
Same.... ;)
Even thinking of having a sale to raise funds, got as far as taking some pics today... ;D
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aye alex,its only a cheapo mark 2. ;)
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oh well, i would have loved it but other bikes have to come first, i hope someone who used to ride one gets it
ive heard a few people on a couple of other forums say they are starting to collect mid school stuff (esp s&m) as old school is getting too expensive to collect, kinda bugs me as id rather see people who rode that era and had those bikes buying them
hopefully it wont drive the prices up like old school
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unfortunately, i think it will, if there is demand prices go up.
then shops get the twitch..and their prices go up
were doomed