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New School BMX 2004 - Now => New School Racing => Topic started by: gossa on August 10, 2010, 09:06 PM
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I reckon I need something a bit more 'nu skool' so i've ordered up a 2010 S&M .38 special.
Gonna build it with S&M Race XLT bars and forks, profile bossless cranks with ti GDH axle/hardware, new splined race sprocket, industry nine wheels, DTH tyres, Thomson masterpeice post, Profile stem wth ti bolts. Probably Pauls brake and lever.
Gonna be white frame, everything else black.
Target weight: 20 lbs but it's gonna be tight I think.
Frame's in stock at 4down but they have to get the forks in for me so I reckon a week or two before she's ready to go. Excited? yes.
Anyone got any 38 spesh pics?
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Don't think it'll look the part unless gossa has the matching factory kit to go with it!! :laugh:
Is this for a comeback Clive or just a playbike??
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Don't think it'll look the part unless gossa has the matching factory kit to go with it!! :laugh:
Is this for a comeback Clive or just a playbike??
Mmm, have been eyeing up Troy Lees website! No comeback though, want to do a few races for fun and my 30lb tuff wheeled behemoth just isn't doing it. Not sure i'm going to get one with modern day race tyres though and 100psi? Jeeze!
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h10/fish116/DSCF2698.jpg)
Ive just realised this is an old picture , it now has DXR cranks wellgo mgs1 pedals and profile hubs. You cant go wrong with an S+M
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Sweet Bof :daumenhoch:
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Clive, I spend ONE day hanging out with you at a BMX track and you go straight out and get an S&M. Those Moeller tricks you were doing must have affected you.
Thats great, I LOVE a modern race bike. Cant wait to see you on it. (S&M have just bought out a new race shirt)
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Someone has a superb looking one on here, i think it's J.T ????
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Clive, I spend ONE day hanging out with you at a BMX track and you go straight out and get an S&M. Those Moeller tricks you were doing must have affected you.
Thats great, I LOVE a modern race bike. Cant wait to see you on it. (S&M have just bought out a new race shirt)
Haha, remember I had an S&M before you Alex!! Yeah, it was a toss up between the .38 and a Standard (rode Dylan Claytons at Gosport last weekend) but at the end of the day, it's an S&M, the little punk ass company run by that kid that used to hammer the back ends onto Auburn CR20's at MOR DISTR. I love the fact that Chris has achieved the impossible, he ran GT out of Huntingdon Beach.
I considered a new school alloy race frame with carbon forks and mountain bike cranks................FOR ABOUT TEN SECONDS, DAH!!!
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good to see you getting back on a s&m clive,the sbc dylan rides is very nice and he puts it round the track very well.
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Clive, I spend ONE day hanging out with you at a BMX track and you go straight out and get an S&M.
Haha, remember I had an S&M before you Alex!
Oh dont get me wrong Clive. Even tho I used to only know you as a GT race guy, I now know your S&M roots. Even better to see its not just your past, S&M is also your present .... and your future ....!!!! (please read that last bit in a deep, mystical voice)
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good to see you getting back on a s&m clive,the sbc dylan rides is very nice and he puts it round the track very well.
I'm sure Dylan could put anything around a track faster and smoother than most of us! I really am struggling with some of the new school trends though, someone has removed the 'MX' from 'BMX' at some point in the last ten years without me noticing! I mean, BMX is a 20x2.125 comp3 at Tim Marches preferred 38psi and 44/16 is it not??? Well when tracks were made of mud you put your foot out and elbows up in the non tarmac berms then maybe so, but not anymore!
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todays tracks are mahooooosive and dangerous and seem 2 x longer,dylan doesnt faf about regular metal frame forks bars sod the rest just ride and enjoy it.
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Clive, I spend ONE day hanging out with you at a BMX track and you go straight out and get an S&M.
Haha, remember I had an S&M before you Alex!
Oh dont get me wrong Clive. Even tho I used to only know you as a GT race guy, I now know your S&M roots. Even better to see its not just your past, S&M is also your present .... and your future ....!!!! (please read that last bit in a deep, mystical voice)
Like a James Earl Jones voice? OK mate! I was GT anti factory because it was so gay! When I rode backyard jams in full neon GT uniform it was because it was just so queer that everything went street and grimy and GT went super gay! I wrote underneath the big GT logo in black marker 'employ illegal immigrants". I also picked Will Smyth up from Heathrow once in full GT neon unifrom, he laughed so much but i'm not sure if he shared the joke or was just really embarrassed for me!
Anyway, let's just hope I get one with it! It's gonna be pimp though.......
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you put your foot out and elbows up in the non tarmac berms
:daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
If only to show off your flat pedals and Vans sole ;)
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When I rode backyard jams in full neon GT uniform
Big over rotated 360 to folded race wheel at Bex hill track. That was pretty f-ing rad! :daumenhoch:
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safety cycles as well
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h10/fish116/38specialdxr.jpg)
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Mmm, cruiser could be next too! If not for me, for my big gay friend Carl.......
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Alex, after riding my Holmes at MK I've also been hankering after a 38 Spesh. I've been offered a 21.25 with the logo on the seat tube (might just be a sticker tho). If anyone knows how old it is you will - Waiting for some pics
I've been riding a NS Alum One frame for a while, but I miss the feeling of the bike moving beneath me as it flexes - the One feels dead in comparison to my Holmes!
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.......... someone has removed the 'MX' from 'BMX' at some point in the last ten years without me noticing! I mean, BMX is a 20x2.125 comp3 at Tim Marches preferred 38psi and 44/16 is it not??? Well when tracks were made of mud you put your foot out and elbows up in the non tarmac berms then maybe so, but not anymore!
I'm glad someone else has noticed.
BMX (or should that be Dirt Velo) still rocks, but with the passage of time (and inclusion in the Olympics), it has lost some of its soul.
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:) I almost shed a small tear at the "lost some its soul" comment Mike... :daumenhoch:
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It has very little of it's real soul left Mike, it's a very different sport, better in many ways, nowhere near as good in many others. I think the 'track' influence is really noticeable, I mean tarmac turns and everyone clipped in following each other (nowhere near as much elbow out, berm bashing corner passing as yesteryear) really isn't BMX racing as it was, it's more about outpowering or out smoothing the competition down the straights and through the sections.
I guess modern day BMX in motorcycle terms is supermoto? A hybrid of sports. Not that todays BMX isn't exciting, it is faster and smoother and at WC and Olympic level it is dazzling but i'd still would have preferred it take another route, more MX, more like the Vans Triple crown, downhill, big knarly jumps etc.
Still, it is what it is and it is cool but I just don't see even at National level that it has progressed in 20 years. I remember getting to Wigan, I guess mid eighties and was just wondering if I could even get around the track! It seems like you can manual everything on todays tracks but if you had to get air on the old tracks, it was impossible to ride most of the jumps. Again, it's super impressive that the tops riders can manual around practically the whole track but I want to see big air, I want to see danger, action, knarliness, I guess i want to see Bicycle Moto Cross.........
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I guess i want to see Bicycle Moto Cross.........
You will 'cos I'm coming back :D
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I reckon it'll break the 20lb barrier Clive, my dialled cruiser doesnt have and super light parts and its 22lb. :Great_Britain:
I remember riding tracks all round the world from 1980-1983 and although we had a blast then i think todays tracks are much much better, the sport is very different now with tarmac and clips, but at least there are jumps every few metres and a real good rider will win without being just the best/strongest pedaller, getting thru/over jumps quickly wins a lot of races now.
Check out the vids of us racing back in the day and they were really just pedalling races with a few little jumps thrown in.
Clips have made a big difference in the way riders jump, on flats you have to 'jump' a double, on clips you do jump but you follow the contour of the jumps just inches above them.
Good or bad its just the way it is now. ;)
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Kdub, it is a different style for sure and much better in so many ways, faster, smoother and so on but I still feel it's missing the MX.
Keith, remember Brum wheels, cooksmoor, that was BMX for me, fast, scary, dangerous even, so the natural evolution of it for me would be the Vans Triple Crown where the track is the competition as much as the other riders. I raced Cheddar year before last in 20" and even though I didn't get out of my motos I really hadn't ridden a 20" for about ten years yet I could still jump everything (badly) and even cleaned the third straight, that can't be right can it??
However, BMX racers today are faster, smoother, fitter and the racing is incredible, especially at WC level, personally I just think it took a more 'track' influenced route rather than a more 'MX' route. Not a bad thing, just would have been interesting to see what would have happened if it had gone the other way no?
It's all just still kids on bikes though, that's what it's all about......
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If one of the winningest riders to come from the UK can jump a straight cleanly after being out've the sport for a few years it doesnt mean that straight is easy.
Your jumping skill is still with you Clive, all your skills are, the only thing lacking is your fitness which when it returns (it will) will enable you to use your skills more safely and for longer.
I know exactly what you mean about the direction bmx has gone in and this is excactly why i race 4x as well to get my fix of 'bicycle moto cross', dirt (muddy when it rains), ungroomed tracks, sideways action, big big jumps and so much fun!!!
I get the best of both worlds!!! :daumenhoch:
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I am GUTTED! that images like these:-
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/flatturn.jpg)
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/waterjump.jpg)
will never be part of new school race reports :'(
nice choice of bike Clive, I am still rocking my Neal Wood (with Comp 3's) :smitten:
Dingo
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Just can't get into modern bmx watched two races in the olympics and dozed off.
I could watch re runs of the kellogs all day long and never get bored though....just all seems a bit sterile the modern way.
Back then Characters like Rupe,Leary,Hill,Patterson Brothers where like Gods.....just can't really see modern bmx ever having the same to offer as back then :coolsmiley:
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Standing on the start hill watching the elite final at the worlds a couple of weeks ago (24hrs after standing on the podium with Rupe and Stupple etc) was anything but sterile! :D
60+kmh at botttom of start hill in 1.5 seconds straight into 15metre jumps was pretty insane!! Strombergs choosing gate 8 for the challenge and siphiso spinning a 42/16 through the air at 60kmh was unreal!!!
Conner Fields drift pedalling through turns looking like a speeded up film is absolutely unbelievable too!!!
Seeing the fear on junior/elite riders faces as they line up to hit the 2nd straight in practice (that straight could kill), watching a kid i had just been talking to come up short on the last jump on that straight and snap his bars and frame completely in two!!! Everyone thinking he was dead until he popped up over the jump arms in the air!! :uglystupid2:
Watching Shanaze win.
Not at all Sterile :knuppel2:
But i'm lucky enough to have been through (and raced in) both era's and i love them both equally :smitten:
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Well put Keith, i think you need to be one brave person these days.
Not for me :LolLolLolLol: my busted up body couldn't cope with any more crashes.
I understand what Jase is posting but i think BMX needs to be watched live rather than on the box for full enjoyment.
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Standing on the start hill watching the elite final at the worlds a couple of weeks ago (24hrs after standing on the podium with Rupe and Stupple etc) was anything but sterile! :D
60+kmh at botttom of start hill in 1.5 seconds straight into 15metre jumps was pretty insane!! Strombergs choosing gate 8 for the challenge and siphiso spinning a 42/16 through the air at 60kmh was unreal!!!
Conner Fields drift pedalling through turns looking like a speeded up film is absolutely unbelievable too!!!
Seeing the fear on junior/elite riders faces as they line up to hit the 2nd straight in practice (that straight could kill), watching a kid i had just been talking to come up short on the last jump on that straight and snap his bars and frame completely in two!!! Everyone thinking he was dead until he popped up over the jump arms in the air!! :uglystupid2:
Watching Shanaze win.
Not at all Sterile :knuppel2:
But i'm lucky enough to have been through (and raced in) both era's and i love them both equally :smitten:
That's the beauty of bmx old and new,different horses for courses....new just don't do it for me,I have met many old school legends,Haro,Leary,Fiola,Rupe,Miranda,Dominguz,March to name a few :daumenhoch:
Not knocking the modern race scene-just prefer watching the old shit and the old bikes :coolsmiley:
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Clive ; From a thread announcing a new bike purchase, this has turned into an excellent one. By the way, when is your gay friend thinking of getting his new safety cycle? I though he was geting one last year after a visit to an Andover track with me which was unrideable other than the first strait due to mud.... Be great to see you both back..... :)
Anyway, although I agree with your view of the ethos of BMX being more track than MX these days, my own experiences of being involved tell me a different story.
BITD my training consisted of riding out in the woods with Nick & Jon Preece, Steve Jefferies, John Watson and others from the local, digging jumps, and jumping stuff, (gaps, doubles, drops, whatever). I always longed for tracks with bigger and more jumps to enable me to do better, but they never got that rad, (I agree Coxmoore, Wheels, and other were exceptions). I was never a gater, (as I am still not), but always found I was beaten by the power merchants, who would normally jump very rarely. Perfect example, Darren Stock. I remeber reading about him in BMX Weekly I think it was and how much road work he did, and thought whats that all about. Great for old tracks perhaps, but I wonder how that stiff, yet super powerful style would do these days, (is he going to come back so we can find out)?
Move on 23 years, and now my trainining consists of mainly road bike rides into work, and XC rides with old friends I have now deserted from the XC racing scene, (which I never did any good in). Family commitments, and the like stop me getting as much track time than I woud like, even though I only live 8 miles from KDUBS back yard track, so race day is when I hone my manuals, and gain jumping balls. Jason King is a perfect example of someone who has not stayed fit, (sorry Jason), but is racing and being competitive as he will jump most things put in front of him as he has alwys been riding trais.
If I had tracks to race back in the early/mid 80's like we have now I know for sure I woud have done better. I always felt they were never hard enough. I remember after the 84 Poole national, as I had not jumped the dollies, I was in the local woods the following week making a massive set of double with the above mentioned, which we ended up jumping 4 abreast in race style time and time again.
So my point? You WILL NOT see a BMX race being won bt a solely a power merchant these days, even in the more lowly age groups. Its about skill on a bike. I miss the sideways turns & mud, but as per Keith's post, but that really is what 4x covers these days, (but that has gears and suspension). BMX now is about the gate, (as ever), but also who has the skill & balls to get round the track as quick & smooth as possible. I dont thing that has chnaged much at all, and in fact, holds more to the origonal goal......
Hope to see you on the track soon with your gay friend.
MAtt.
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P.S. Clive - £100 if you can clean Cheddar's 3rd strait now, (unless its changed since the brits last year).
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Missed you today Clive...Is this BMX enough ;> Excuse the shorts and kneepads. :idiot2:
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On and one for you...
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Haha yes this has turned into a quality thread hasn't it!
Keith, I think you've cracked the nail on the head, 4x, despite the big wheels, is more like the evolution of the true spirit of early BMX and BMX racing today is just nuts at WC level, faster, smoother and more professional than ever. I do take mateys point though, there doesn't seem to be that 'factory factor' in terms of personalities/teams etc?
Jon, nice pics, loving flemdogs style!
Matt, yes, Carl is still a big gay bear but I know I can talk him into getting a bike. I know what you mean and agree with a lot of what you say, mainly that Darren Stock was a stiffback!
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Some more here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/prestwick_tower/sets/72157624658528675/show/)
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Haha yes this has turned into a quality thread hasn't it!
Keith, I think you've cracked the nail on the head, 4x, despite the big wheels, is more like the evolution of the true spirit of early BMX and BMX racing today is just nuts at WC level, faster, smoother and more professional than ever. I do take mateys point though, there doesn't seem to be that 'factory factor' in terms of personalities/teams etc?
Jon, nice pics, loving flemdogs style!
Matt, yes, Carl is still a big gay bear but I know I can talk him into getting a bike. I know what you mean and agree with a lot of what you say, mainly that Darren Stock was a stiffback!
Probably because we were 'kids' looking up to all the 'men' that were US pro's back then, i'm way older than most of the posters on this thread but when i was 15 most of the top pro's were early 20's and seemed like gods to us. :4_17_5:
I've been to a few races in my time including the first ever race in the UK, the first ever World Champs, The biggest race ever held (2005 worlds), The worlds in SA a few weeks ago and thousands of others.
But my favorite event is a local wednesday night race i attended in 1982, it was at a little club track in BROOKVILLE Ohio, the thing that was special about it was it was just outside DAYTON where the first ever world champs were being held a few days later, so everyone who was anyone in BMX then was there for some last minute practice, i was the only Brit and was blown away by the fact that just weeks before this all the US pro's were gods i only read about (over and over) in BMX PLUS and ACTION!!
The pro main that night was every bit as stacked as the pro main at the worlds a few days later, Greg Hill, Stu, Leary, Brackens, Sewell and co all hit the last jump on the long first straight together then Stu just seemed to hit turbo boost and pulled away winning by a fair margin!
I won my class that night too (i still have the trophy) which made me feel on top of the world especially when some of the pro's patted me on the back saying 'good work Brit' :Great_Britain:
I cant see any race topping that one for me. :)
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Keith, I think you've cracked the nail on the head, 4x, despite the big wheels, is more like the evolution of the true spirit of early BMX
I've enjoyed racing 4X more this season, which is why I haven't done any BMX nationals (but I'll probably race at least one day at Bournemouth next weekend to get my 2-digit national number for next season). 4X tracks have all been downhill, bumpy and with pretty big jumps. It just feels more "on the edge" than BMX, where a pristine track, tarmac'd berms, control and smoothness is everything.
But at the end of the day, it's all about bicycles and dirt (just that there is 50% less dirt in BMX than there was when we were younger).
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...Is this BMX enough ;> Excuse the shorts and kneepads. :idiot2:
Yes it is... Great photo (nice Ripper as well).
Excuse me for butting in on this but I am trying to get back into BMX. I'm 38 and I remember the old days and being terrified of Wigans one and only 'Whoops' and all the old pros were amazing. I bought a bike and got stuck back in but was amazed at how much had changed. However, I love this new BMX. :daumenhoch:
I think the tracks have moved on so much that it takes loads more skill than it did to get around, the bikes are much tougher (maybe not better looking although I like the look of new bikes as long as they're not bloody black). I'm also really enjoying learning the new skills (manualling). I really nailed my local track this weekend and that wasnt just about jumping over everything, I mean, thats loads of fun but choosing the right approach to a jump is also a good challenge.
Old tracks are so boring compared to todays tracks...I loved wigan but I wouldn't want to ride around it today (I will when its re-built though :LolLolLolLol:)
But what do I know??? Just my thoughts cos I was there BITD and I'm really enjoying todays BMX. :daumenhoch:
What the hell are clips??? Are they like those pedal things on your racers that made you fall over at traffic lights cos you couldnt put your foot down????
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What the hell are clips??? Are they like those pedal things on your racers that made you fall over at traffic lights cos you couldnt put your foot down????
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Yep :daumenhoch:
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??? Not too sure about that development!! Maybe I am too old ;D
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It's all about jumping the big jumps at today's tracks. If you don't jump you can't stay with the fastest guys..........just look at the pics above (I'm the one at back of the pack speed-jumping Crewe's 1st straight.... & in shorts Jonny - it was so freakin hot).
Crewe is an extreme example of the trail style jumps at tracks these days and the pump races showed the speed you can squeeze out of a modern track without pedalling and how you don't need power these days at most tracks to win, it's more about jumping skills - checkout the pics of Paddy Sharrock blowing away the 12's? - he can jump everything!
The trouble with getting old is that most of us become more cautious - I'd rather keep racing without jumping the big gaps so I can avoid injury. Almost everyone I know who races over the age of 30 is carrying some kind of injury...........but I'd love to be able to have the bottle to clear the 3rd straight at the Brits........and live to tell the tale!!!!
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Nice style Brett! :daumenhoch:
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Enjoying the thread.
Here is my 38.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/rr38/Dex_Dexter/Bikes/IMG_0212.jpg)
Nothing fancy on that. No Kevlar, no Ti and just a cromo hollow GDH axle. Just around 21lbs I think.
I have since cut the post down and changed to a Fit plastic seat and I will put Kevlar DTH on. Plenty light enough for me.
I love BMX now. I loved it then too; when I was 11.
It's changed a lot and I never kept up, having been away from the sport, so it's hard to make an impact now.
But I'm doing my best in Masters and will continue to do so, because I think it is possible.
I think it is possible because the sport still has many facets. Power, speed, skill, tactics. They are all still there.
At the Bob Field Grands this weekend, on a track with big jumps and bowled out tarmac berms, there were still loads of moves. Just ask Reidy about the move he put on Dan Whyte in the Bob Field Trophy semi!
Brett. i think you are half right. Jumping makes a big difference, especially for us older stiff backs but if you watch the top boys, even at Crewe, a good jet hop or pick up manual can work as well.
I just don't think my body can move that fast :)
I bloody love BMX I do.
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Lovely Dex, but why is it in the bath???!!!! ;D
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Ah well. You have to look after them you know :D :D :D
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Jet Hop? I think you'll need to show me that one at Cheddar Dex!!......I think I know what you mean, was that what they were doin over the nipple?
Stiff backs ;D classic!!! Yeh that's me!
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Well I can't do the jet hope but basically it's a super fast manual hop.
It's like a manual but by the time the back wheel has hit the surface it's up again giving you extra spring and momentum on the downside.
There probably are jumps at Cheddar where it can be used so let's have a go in practice! :)
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Lovely Dex, but why is it in the bath???!!!! ;D
Can't believe you asked that....I think the record we had in a hotel bathroom/shower was 8...with 8 bodies staying in the same room...American Adventure circa '92 Brits I think?
And you were there Clive!!
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Lovely Dex, but why is it in the bath???!!!! ;D
Can't believe you asked that....I think the record we had in a hotel bathroom/shower was 8...with 8 bodies staying in the same room...American Adventure circa '92 Brits I think?
And you were there Clive!!
Ah true JB!! Hey, fancy a proper road trip? Jag Worlds, Florida, December? Get the gang together?? Bardens can drive again!
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Tempted...but the new bike has sucked my holiday money ;>
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Tempted...but the new bike has sucked my holiday money ;>
Is your new bike the 2010 XLP Ripper in the pic?? If so what do you think of it??
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Lovely Dex, but why is it in the bath???!!!! ;D
He's too grown up to play with rubber ducks in the bath!! ???