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moley

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No more Brits for OS (except maybe a Charity/Novelty race, if we can be arsed).

We are still waiting for confirmation of this and trying to change their mind but they are an unelected commission who are a rule unto themselves so they wont listen so lets get on with it!!

The South region is allowing OS to race as a Novice type race.  So no BC Silver Membership or racing license needed in the summer to race.  Just  the race fees on the day.   Also the South have slashed their race fees to £5 from £10.

So what do you want to happen in the North in the summer?

At the moment in the Winter Series you dont need BC Silver Membership (£36) or Racing license (minimum) requirement to race but in the summer you would have needed to.

If the North are willing and we can drop the BC Membership requirement to race OS and just pay race fees.

Then I think that will be better for the North.   Anyone who wants to race OS can dip in and out of OS and can do so without any worry. 

The only other thing is the the race fees.   I dont know how much of the £8 goes to BC.   If all of the £8 goes to the North region and BC doesn't see one fookin penny then I'd be happy to still pay the £8 race fee and still get my series end trophy (if I complete 6 out of 8 races)

If BC let us us stage a Charity/Novelty race at the Brits then we can still do so but it will be an open class (so no qualifying) and RADBMX OS members can organise it as we see fit whenever BC decide to slot us in to race.   Hopefully the Brits OS race fees would pay for the trophies and we could go around with a bucket to raise money, sell t shirts etc, etc............

I dont want to screw over the North Region as they have always (and still does) support OS.   But I dont think anyone should pay BC for being excluded and not treated the same as any other class.   Dont forget if you still plan to race other classes at National, regional and the brits then you'll still need BC membership!!

At the end of the day all we want to do is race.

Once we know what everyone wants to do then we'll put our suggestions to the North Regions!!

Suggestions, ideas and off the wall surreal comments wanted (Berm gags are optional but often appropriate and neccessary)

So what do you Northern Monkey's think?   ???

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gets ya thinkin this 1 moley

but for some reason i cant see bc not letting us race without silver membership as they would lose a good chunk of dosh

if we can go our own way i think a good idea would be an old school committee with maybe 4 peaple nomonated by ourselves who can sort all things old school out

wat ya think molester

russ

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Ther answer is really simple.

We have our Brits at the Rad Bash each year. We make that our big event, like a one off old school British Championship.

No hassles and no over officialisation.

moley

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gets ya thinkin this 1 moley

but for some reason i cant see bc not letting us race without silver membership as they would lose a good chunk of dosh

if we can go our own way i think a good idea would be an old school committee with maybe 4 peaple nomonated by ourselves who can sort all things old school out

wat ya think molester

russ

Its a good idea Russ!! And we can still do that!!

But the South Region has already sorted out the OS.  No BC Membership required and they just pay races fees which they slashed to half price.  Trophies are not included (I think).


I dont think the region wants to lose us and I dont want to race if its not at a regional either.   I like atmosphere at North Regionals.  But if we run our series with a few extra dates then we can have inter series races with the Scots, South and whoever.

If the south can let OS race without BC membership then the North should be able to as well.

How much of the £8 race fee does BC get (if any)?

Ther answer is really simple.

We have our Brits at the Rad Bash each year. We make that our big event, like a one off old school British Championship.

No hassles and no over officialisation.

The OS at MK is always gonna be the event of the season.  That will never change!!

If they want us to race at the Brits and people want to do it then I dont see why not.  At the end of the day it encourages other OS to join the fold.    Just so long as BC dont get my money because they dont provide a fair and full service then I dont care putting on show for the baying crowds!!  :daumenhoch:

RADBMX is the OS class.  I have no problem putting on a show at the brits to everyone outside RADBMX as long as its on our terms and not BC's  :)

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Some excellent points Ian.

I'm actually hoping that the BC may have a change of heart (unlikely but they may actually acknowledge our passion).

With the numbers we are now attracting in this ever popular 'class' we need to take things serious regards organising the series and setting down to some firm rules (without taking away the fun aspect).

I'm happy to help with any organising etc that needs doing on our behalf.

Dave

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Good ideas Ian,

I do think that the BC will still want the O/S boys to cough up some penny's, but if they can explain what value they will add to o/s racing in 2010 they I would love to here..... :uglystupid2:

I for one would gladly pay a little extra to the club (hopefully I'll make a few more races next year  :'( ) to stage on o/s race that way I'd know my money was going to the local club and not to some twonks expense account..... :2gunsfiring_v1:

I also agree with Russ.......re: O/S should be rep'd by people who love O/S  :daumenhoch:
I might actually build a bike this year instead of just hoarding parts :)

moley

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I wouldn't want to race outside of regionals.........unless it was an organised inter-series race etc, etc.

The Benefits of regionals is the organisation, food, toilets, atmosphere etc, etc and first aid!!

I just wonder how much money from Regional race fees go to the Region and how much BC make out of it!!     

I'm all for supporting the regions.  But if BC doesn't accept OS as an Expert class and treat us as such then how can they expect us to get Memberships when Novices dont have to!!

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I wouldn't want to race outside of regionals.........unless it was an organised inter-series race etc, etc.

The Benefits of regionals is the organisation, food, toilets, atmosphere etc, etc and first aid!!

I just wonder how much money from Regional race fees go to the Region and how much BC make out of it!!     

I'm all for supporting the regions.  But if BC doesn't accept OS as an Expert class and treat us as such then how can they expect us to get Memberships when Novices dont have to!!

Agree 200%... :daumenhoch:

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I'm all for supporting the regions.  But if BC doesn't accept OS as an Expert class and treat us as such then how can they expect us to get Memberships when Novices dont have to!!

Thats spot on Ian.....thats what's peeing me off, the issue I have is they have just made a ruling without consulting the people involved.............and why has the BC got an issue with having O/S at the brits ?
I might actually build a bike this year instead of just hoarding parts :)

moley

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Quote
GENERAL RULES
2. BC Membership and Licensing

2.1. The following categories of events are open to any rider with or without BC membership:
2.1.1. Open races
2.1.2. Club races
2.1.3. Winter regionals
2.1.4. A maximum of 2 summer regionals if they have taken place before may have the current year
2.1.5. Novice racing at all regionals

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APPENDIX 3 British Cycling BMX
Regional Series
1. Each Region will run a series of races each year to provide a Regional ranking structure and qualification to the British Championships (See Appendix 2)


2. BC BMX Rules for Regional Series
Racing.

2.1. Please note that it is not the intention of the BC BMX Commission to dictate to Regions how their Regional Series races are
organised or administered. However, a common minimum standard is deemed necessary and hence the following basic rules are to be applied.

2.2. To simplify the Regions administration of their racing it is recommended that they base their main classes on the British Championship classes.

2.3. Other classes such as Novice may be added but do not form part of the regional qualification to the British Championships.

2.4. From may have the current year, no rider will be allowed to compete in their Region’s Summer Race Series without a valid BC Silver or Gold membership. However, a rider without membership may ride in the Novice categories.

I think the North Region just has to say they are running OS as a Novice Class and BC can't do anything about it!!

Simple as that!!  :)

But I still hope none of the race fees go to BC!!  >:(

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 04:22 PM »
But I still hope none of the race fees go to BC!!  >:(

 :daumenhoch:
I might actually build a bike this year instead of just hoarding parts :)

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 04:33 PM »

I think the North Region just has to say they are running OS as a Novice Class and BC can't do anything about it!!

Simple as that!!  :)


Nail on the head there Moley, talk about BC shooting themselves in the foot or what.
Thats 2K+ a year less for them, who's going to pay for the bubbly at the AGM now??

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 04:40 PM »
The most important thing to remember is that we all race for fun, end of. When officialdom starts becoming too much and overbearing the fun soon slips away.

You guy's up North have a fantastic series running and it would be great to see if we can get back to our old self down south. That's something I hope we can do.

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 04:55 PM »
Nail on the head there Moley, talk about BC shooting themselves in the foot or what.
Thats 2K+ a year less for them, who's going to pay for the bubbly at the AGM now??

 :2funny:
I might actually build a bike this year instead of just hoarding parts :)

moley

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 05:02 PM »
The North has always supported us and treated us the same as any other class.    Preston even Organised the OS Grands.

We are not going to do anything to upset the North Region.  They treated us well and will continue to do so.

They will still get our Club Memberships fees (for those that use the clubs regularly) and our continued support.

The only difference is that OS should be reclassified as a Novice or Open Class race that just happens to be run beside the regionals.

If they are willing to officiate the OS at the regionals as per usual then I dont think any northern monkey would object to paying the £8 race fee if it includes a trophy for 6/8 rounds etc, etc.

............but if BC gets £1 then I'd like our race fee to be £7.   It would begrudge me to pay them anything for no return.   Although  I might race Nationals one day if Flem can ever make me jump!!!   :D

I'm not sure about Novice race fees but most novices are kids (except Nhoj whenhe raced at Bradford and got his ass whupped by a 13 year old novice), so I dont mind paying full race fees so long as the region gets the full amount!!

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 05:06 PM »
Has anyone spoken to North region bmx?

Might be worth getting their views on how we proceed, as molask says ,they kind a like us ya know  :)
Whats the matter Kid, don't ya like clowns? Don't we make you laugh? Aint we fukkin funny?

moley

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 05:16 PM »
Dave is emailing Tina!!

I'm gonna be at Coppull so I'll have a chat with anyone who cares to listen!!

BC do not recognise OS as an Expert Class.  If they did then we'd race at the Brits.   Novice Class is for learning and moving up to Expert Class.  So we're not Novice either.

The South has reclassifed OS as an Open Class.  Open Classes do not need BC Membership.  The fact it is run alongside a Regional shouldn't matter (I think) as BC dont organise or run Regionals.

The only thing to discuss is the race fee which no one oop north objects to (unless some goes to BC).

So I dont think there will be a problem!!

Anyone who wants to race OS can.  Simple as that (I think.......................I hope!!).

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 09:02 PM »
After reading all the posts and threads about the BC they sound like a right set of to55ers :2gunsfiring_v1:

I'll be glad to sting them where it hurts as they seem to want there cake and to eat it!

I'm more than happy to pay my race day subs to cover the costs for the clubs etc :daumenhoch:

moley

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 11:59 PM »
Dub, Dub, Rub a Dub!!

I agree!!!

Apart from the 2 races bit!!

If we are an  open class then there is no need for BC membership or race licence!!

We'll put our case to the North region and see where we stand.  It might take a while until their next committee meeting but hopefully it will get sorted.

At the moment it will just carry on as it is!! 

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2009, 12:18 AM »
British Cycling don't get anything from regional race fees.
Roger Wilbraham loves Old Skool.

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2009, 01:02 AM »
British Cycling don't get anything from regional race fees.
Roger Wilbraham loves Old Skool.

Cheers Tony!!   :daumenhoch:

We'll put it to the North Region and hopefully carry on as usual as an Open Class (with 1" and caliper restrictions etc, etc)!!

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2009, 02:46 PM »
i just hope the numbers continue to go up, and all this shite isnt puttin people off starting up again.

the north region clubs have been awesome, i would not begrudge a penny if race fees stay as they are, if trophys are not on the cards, then a little extra each time we raced (50p - £1?? whatever) to go into a pot for our own trophies shouldnt be begrudged either, still be alot cheaper in the long run.

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2009, 02:57 PM »
i just hope the numbers continue to go up, and all this shite isnt puttin people off starting up again.

the north region clubs have been awesome, i would not begrudge a penny if race fees stay as they are, if trophys are not on the cards, then a little extra each time we raced (50p - £1?? whatever) to go into a pot for our own trophies shouldnt be begrudged either, still be alot cheaper in the long run.

 :daumenhoch:

We'll wait and see what happens with the North Region about an Open Class and BC Membership etc, etc as they'll have to discuss it between the clubs.

I dont think nowt will change apart from no BC fees.  So it should work out cheaper for everyone and people will able to race the odd meet when the feeling takes them!!   £8 race fee is cheap as chips for the amount of work the officials put in!!!  :)

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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2009, 06:42 PM »
i just hope the numbers continue to go up, and all this shite isnt puttin people off starting up again.

the north region clubs have been awesome, i would not begrudge a penny if race fees stay as they are, if trophys are not on the cards, then a little extra each time we raced (50p - £1?? whatever) to go into a pot for our own trophies shouldnt be begrudged either, still be alot cheaper in the long run.

+1

...it's putting me off :yahoo_silent:




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Re: OS in the North!! What now after BC have kicked us out of the Brits!!
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2009, 06:52 PM »
yeh

io cant be arsed either :2funny:

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