Well Im glad I put 'Could' in the title of this thread and I apologise for not posting sooner but I dont like putting up half answers. Anyway Ive been trying to arrange a day to go round to his place without and luck so far. Basically the bloke lives on the river in an open top row boat with a 'put-put' outboard on the back and isnt always at his house, hence why its hard to get hold of him. Ive called him loads and text him lots but thankfully I havent wasted time travelling to his place waiting for him to turn up because he hasnt been there, I reckon its because the weather has been so good recently and he likes it on the river. But . . . Im not giving up. He said he had to get rid the bikes by September 11th, so Im going to call him tomorrow before I go abroad for a few days to see if I can go round in the evening, if that doesnt work I will go back on to the full harassment method when I get back! He will soon get fed up and either tell me to fook right off or give in and pass over lots of goodies and I definately dont want to give up on a potentially good haul? Harassment method it is I think!