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Thx Radsters I'm gonna try a differnet axel tonight ..... and see how that goes, I assumed that as this was the one that came with the crank (NOS) that it was correct (Mother of all Fook Ups assumption )Failing that I'll give the red thread lock nut a go.........I really dont want to loctite it though... wot if i need to remove again..surely that would be a pain in the arse then?