what spokes ,,help

[trasher]

ok chaps im after some 194mm spokes ,,biagio has some 7.5/8"

are these the right size to go on 20 x1.75 ukais with low flange hubs

i once saw a wheel building thingy on here ,but canrt seem to find it 

cheers in advance 

[se-bmxer]

184mm using 3 cross lacing pattern or 194mm using a 4 cross lacing pattern, something like that

[moanjam]

i used this to calculate for my 1 3/8's

http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/

 

[hunterdubber]

Well the gay pensioner mate

7 5/8's  roughly equates to 194's

194's  are for low/ small flange hubs  on a 1.75 or 1.5  20" rim

184's for Large/ high flange hubs


both using a 3 cross pattern build 

[trasher]

184mm using 3 cross lacing pattern or 194mm using a 4 cross lacing pattern, something like that

the spokes i,v just taken out are 194 ,,didn't take note of the lace pattern ,,,is the gauge right 7.5/8"

iv got another pair here that stidds built ,,,and i think there 194 ,,so i,m going to try and build them to that pattern  

[trasher]

Well the gay pensioner mate

7 5/8's  roughly equates to 194's

194's  are for low/ small flange hubs  on a 1.75 or 1.5  20" rim

184's for Large/ high flange hubs


both using a 3 cross pattern build 

cheers dude ,,that makes sense now    ,
you lot are just to rad for words 

i used this to calculate for my 1 3/8's

http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/

 

cheers dude

[rhino_mac]

If you're using 194's and low flange hubs it's a four cross pattern - just built some up recently.

I bought the Asahi 194's onto Suntour low flange hubs onto Araya &x 20 x 1.75's.

[stidds]

184mm using 3 cross lacing pattern or 194mm using a 4 cross lacing pattern, something like that

the spokes i,v just taken out are 194 ,,didn't take note of the lace pattern ,,,is the gauge right 7.5/8"

iv got another pair here that stidds built ,,,and i think there 194 ,,so i,m going to try and build them to that pattern  

the gay pensioner, which wheels are the ones I built mate, as I don't lace with 194's?  Measure them again from end to end and you will probably find they are 184mm with a 3x pattern (as I don't lace 4x often).


Sean

[trasher]

184mm using 3 cross lacing pattern or 194mm using a 4 cross lacing pattern, something like that

the spokes i,v just taken out are 194 ,,didn't take note of the lace pattern ,,,is the gauge right 7.5/8"

iv got another pair here that stidds built ,,,and i think there 194 ,,so i,m going to try and build them to that pattern  

the gay pensioner, which wheels are the ones I built mate, as I don't lace with 194's?  Measure them again from end to end and you will probably find they are 184mm with a 3x pattern (as I don't lace 4x often).


Sean

hello mate ,,they where the polished ukai's with red hubbage and nipples ,,,you did for nick

i think really close to your wedding day 

[trasher]

these ones mate

[stidds]

Thought it may have been those beauties.  Really loved lacing them up.

Check the spoke length though mate, If I recall they are 186mm on the front and 184mm on the rear with a 3x lacing pattern.

[trasher]

Thought it may have been those beauties.  Really loved lacing them up.

Check the spoke length though mate, If I recall they are 186mm on the front and 184mm on the rear with a 3x lacing pattern.

they are splendid mate ,,,top lacing job 

just got the tape out ,and think your right with them measurements

i.v just ordered some 194 spokes ,,the same as i took out of a  wheel i had ,,,,what configuration would i do with these ,

this lacing lark is so confusing   

[trasher]

thats the last time i try and lace up a rim

[stidds]

Thought it may have been those beauties.  Really loved lacing them up.

Check the spoke length though mate, If I recall they are 186mm on the front and 184mm on the rear with a 3x lacing pattern.

they are splendid mate ,,,top lacing job 

just got the tape out ,and think your right with them measurements

i.v just ordered some 194 spokes ,,the same as i took out of a  wheel i had ,,,,what configuration would i do with these ,

this lacing lark is so confusing   

194mm is usually a 4x lacing pattern.

[bigsman]

I'm just about to do the same and was about to hit the buy button when I saw this thread!!  Am I right in thinking even if you buy the wrong size you can alter the lacing to suit?  So since he's bought 194s he can do a 4x rather than a 3?  I don't have the rims and hubs in my posession yet to measure anything am I as well waiting or can I buy spokes now so I'm ready and if so what do I need to use to calculate what I need?  I'm with you man this is much more confusing than I thought 

[stidds]

I'm just about to do the same and was about to hit the buy button when I saw this thread!!  Am I right in thinking even if you buy the wrong size you can alter the lacing to suit?  So since he's bought 194s he can do a 4x rather than a 3?  I don't have the rims and hubs in my posession yet to measure anything am I as well waiting or can I buy spokes now so I'm ready and if so what do I need to use to calculate what I need?  I'm with you man this is much more confusing than I thought 

Not always, as hub sizes (and number of spokes per wheel) vary, which changes everything.  I have been building wheels for a number of years now and believe me that the lacing is simple compared to using the correct size spokes.  To calculate the correct size you need a spoke calculator software program, a decent set of digital calipers and knowledge of what measurements to take.  You also need to work out early what kind of lacing you want (radial, 2x, 3x, 4x, racelace etc).

[bigsman]

Not always, as hub sizes (and number of spokes per wheel) vary, which changes everything.  I have been building wheels for a number of years now and believe me that the lacing is simple compared to using the correct size spokes.  To calculate the correct size you need a spoke calculator software program, a decent set of digital calipers and knowledge of what measurements to take.  You also need to work out early what kind of lacing you want (radial, 2x, 3x, 4x, racelace etc).
[/quote]

Cheers for that...since this is my first attempt I'm looking for the simplest method really - I take it that's 3x?  I don't have the tools you mention there is there anyway I can compromise and not waste money buying the wrong thing?  The wheels are the zeds n hubs  on stevencostas for sale thread - they look low flange but no idea on exact sizes.  What a pain this is...and I was quite looking forward to doing this for the first time as well!!  Cheers mate your feedbacks appreciated - and sorry for hijacking the thread!

Steve

[stidds]

Cheers for that...since this is my first attempt I'm looking for the simplest method really - I take it that's 3x?  I don't have the tools you mention there is there anyway I can compromise and not waste money buying the wrong thing?  The wheels are the zeds n hubs  on stevencostas for sale thread - they look low flange but no idea on exact sizes.  What a pain this is...and I was quite looking forward to doing this for the first time as well!!  Cheers mate your feedbacks appreciated - and sorry for hijacking the thread!

Steve

Steve

Best thing to do is to buy the hubs and spokes you want, pm me and I will tell you what measurements to take and I will calculate the spoke lengths for you.


Sean

[bigsman]

Cheers man will do - appreciate it 

[NORTY40]

Best thing to do is to buy the hubs and spokes you want, pm me and I will tell you what measurements to take and I will calculate the spoke lengths for you.


Sean
[/quote]

 Think Sean meant , buy the hubs and RIMS you want ....      

I'm sure you knew this Steve but just in case      

[stidds]

 Think Sean meant , buy the hubs and RIMS you want ....      

I'm sure you knew this Steve but just in case      

 

Thanks Norty mate, I am not a bright bloke, just a lowly Driving Instructor. 

[NORTY40]

 Think Sean meant , buy the hubs and RIMS you want ....      

I'm sure you knew this Steve but just in case      

 

Thanks Norty mate, I am not a bright bloke, just a lowly Driving Instructor. 

Your welcome mate 

Dont knock yourself either anyone who can lace wheels like your goodself is a good one in my book 

[bigsman]

Yeh I sussed that but I'm new here and didn't want to ruffle any feathers 

[NORTY40]

Yeh I sussed that but I'm new here and didn't want to ruffle any feathers 

Your not as new as me and i am always ruffling feathers   

[trasher]

I'm just about to do the same and was about to hit the buy button when I saw this thread!!  Am I right in thinking even if you buy the wrong size you can alter the lacing to suit?  So since he's bought 194s he can do a 4x rather than a 3?  I don't have the rims and hubs in my posession yet to measure anything am I as well waiting or can I buy spokes now so I'm ready and if so what do I need to use to calculate what I need?  I'm with you man this is much more confusing than I thought 

Not always, as hub sizes (and number of spokes per wheel) vary, which changes everything.  I have been building wheels for a number of years now and believe me that the lacing is simple compared to using the correct size spokes.  To calculate the correct size you need a spoke calculator software program, a decent set of digital calipers and knowledge of what measurements to take.  You also need to work out early what kind of lacing you want (radial, 2x, 3x, 4x, racelace etc).

now that has really puddled me  ,,,,,, sean how hard is the 4x lacing pattern ,,,,,,have you any pictures or reference to go by ,,,,,

and how much to send them to you mate