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Ideally, 184mm spokes with long nipples must be used when building Z's on hi-flange hubs. Doing so will ensure an adequate cross pattern and a much stronger wheelYou may get away with using 182mm spokes, again with long nipples, as this will only reduce the number of crosses when you lace the wheelsI reckon the 180mm spokes will be too short. Remember, this is a total difference of 8mm across the effective rim diameter and coupled with the extra thickness of the Z-rim the use of long nipples will not help muchI would return the spokes to Alans and order 184mm with long nipples insteadHope this helps
Not sure I agree with everything you've said there. Using DT Swiss' calculator and SUzue high flange hubs as a guide, thier recommendation is 182mm for the front and 182/181mm for the rear. This is based on using 14mm nipples, the shorter the nipples the longer the spoke (184mm for 12mm nipples).
they all laced perfectly using 184mm spokes with long nipples !!!
Don't you think it would be better for Danny to measure the hubs and use one of the calculators and see if his hub measurements make any difference. If Danny still has doubts, he can voice them with 'Alans' whilst he's getting them to swap the nipples.