Author Topic: a cracking day today.. (Read 16152 times)

teamsano · « **on:** February 08, 2009, 08:00 PM »

just back from the park where i saw something we were talking about the other day. i do have pics, but is it ok to put em up?

DIRTBIKER250F · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2009, 08:02 PM »

Pics is better than rumour mate, get em up

harris · « **Reply #2 on:** February 08, 2009, 08:03 PM »

i would rather see that vid of you lot on a certain oldschool bike the one that didnt survive in one piece.

username · « **Reply #3 on:** February 08, 2009, 08:29 PM »

Quote from: teamsano on February 08, 2009, 08:00 PM

JT71 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2009, 08:38 PM »

if there's tricks on old school bikes let's see em!

even if the bike dies, i'm gonna try peg grinding my TA and everyone tells me it'll die...if so, so be it.

bsdforever · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2009, 08:59 PM »

harris · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2009, 09:05 PM »

that'll be the one grant

teamsano · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2009, 09:08 PM »

there we are. now, this is NOT the same bike that i had seen cracked a few weeks ago, altho its the same make/model.

this belongs to a dude who cracked it 3 days ago and was still riding it, although it was actually his second one after his first frame failed in the same spot. the frame has lasted 2 months according to this rider.

so- now i've seen two of these bikes cracked and i can get pics of the other when my friend gets back from his hols on tuesday.

jedi · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2009, 09:12 PM »

what is it?

lodge · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2009, 09:12 PM »

Quote from: JT71 on February 08, 2009, 08:38 PM

if there's tricks on old school bikes let's see em!

even if the bike dies, i'm gonna try peg grinding my TA and everyone tells me it'll die...if so, so be it.

I tried a framestand on this earlier

SaMAlex · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2009, 09:17 PM »

So if Gogo has seen 2 cracked ones, and one of those was a replacment, then there are still 997 left that are fine.
Thats not bad is it?

subversion · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2009, 09:21 PM »

Quote from: bsdforever on February 08, 2009, 08:59 PM

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Best BMX video I've seen in AGES!

Philbert · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2009, 10:11 PM »

Quote from: S&MAlex on February 08, 2009, 09:17 PM

So if Gogo has seen 2 cracked ones, and one of those was a replacment, then there are still 997 left that are fine.
Thats not bad is it?

there's more gone than that alex!

Dark Diggler · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2009, 10:16 PM »

I sent 3 seperate "tiagra" shifters back to shimano in 1 week recently. needless to say I thought nothing of it and neither did the customers.

well, to be fair one did say that "shit happens"... they calmed down eventually and with councelling I am confident they will be ok.

Bettyswallocks · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2009, 10:26 PM »

Ooops...

Dark Diggler · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2009, 10:27 PM »

you are a Mark -ed man

bof · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2009, 10:41 PM »

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FFS

username · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2009, 11:55 PM »

Quote from: Dark Diggler on February 08, 2009, 10:16 PM

I sent 3 seperate "tiagra" shifters back to shimano in 1 week recently. needless to say I thought nothing of it and neither did the customers.

well, to be fair one did say that "shit happens"... they calmed down eventually and with councelling I am confident they will be ok.

Do Shimano pretend that shit does not happen though? Another one in the Channel Islands cracked today too!

jT Racing · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2009, 02:27 AM »

for those of you that are so obviously dyeing to say 'i told you so' have a day off and get over yourselves, that last thread was sad enough. You seem completely hell bent on these frames being unfit for use simply because 'you know better'. ALL FRAMES CRACK. If you keep cracking them, maybe a beefier frame would suit your riding? It's not rocket science. I reckon other bike company's will follow suit with similar or lighter frames.

username · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:15 AM »

Quote from: J.T.RACING on February 09, 2009, 02:27 AM

for those of you that are so obviously dyeing to say 'i told you so' have a day off and get over yourselves, that last thread was sad enough. You seem completely hell bent on these frames being unfit for use simply because 'you know better'. ALL FRAMES CRACK. If you keep cracking them, maybe a beefier frame would suit your riding? It's not rocket science. I reckon other bike company's will follow suit with similar or lighter frames.

I disagree with every part of you post.

dialledbikes · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2009, 09:17 AM »

Quote from: J.T.RACING on February 09, 2009, 02:27 AM

for those of you that are so obviously dyeing to say 'i told you so' have a day off and get over yourselves, that last thread was sad enough. You seem completely hell bent on these frames being unfit for use simply because 'you know better'. ALL FRAMES CRACK. If you keep cracking them, maybe a beefier frame would suit your riding? It's not rocket science. I reckon other bike company's will follow suit with similar or lighter frames.

All frames are capable of cracking if ridden beyond their limit, but not all frames crack.

You're right about other companies following suit on the lightweight thing though. When S&M, Standard and FBM all got their cro-moly race frames down to the 4.2/4.5lb marks, I had to get my race frames down to a similar weight as well, which meant using much stronger air hardened cro-moly (Reynolds 853) tubes which meant I could go down in wall thickness, outside diameters and lose gussets, etc.

I think when using a top quality tube like 83, Supertherm or OX, then >4/<5lb is a respectable and durable weight for a frame. When using regular 4130, then 5/<5.5.lb is a sensible weight.

Don't really care what special heat treating processes are used or the type of tubing. When frames start coming in at 3.5/4lb, common sense should tell people that they will not be as durable as a frame with an extra pound or two of metal in em.

jT Racing · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2009, 12:51 PM »

Quote from: username on February 09, 2009, 05:15 AM

I disagree with every part of you post.

wonderfull. FYI, i have looked on quite a few other bmx forums, there seems to be a very very small number of blokes, 3-5 maybe a couple more, who seem to be on a hate campaign against these frames being right. Many of the comments on hearing about one or two cracked frames is 'see, told you it's not safe' and 'told you that shit wouldn't work' etc.. Nobody gives a toss about cracked ltf's, but they have the same stupid comments, '4.2lbs i wouldn't trust it' and 'if i was a teenager maybe' etc, seems all the older, more uptight riders are out for blood at any chance they get with any subject.

Mike, just because your not building these frames that doesn't make them wrong. You may be in danger of getting left behind in the coming years if you leave yourself closed to new or alternative methods. Steel and alloy technology moves forward all the time. He's taken the bull by the horns and gone for it with a product he believes in and one or two or even ten out of a thousand on an innovative brand new product seems good numbers from a business perspective. What you say is true about common sense though, if you seem to land most tricks two foot away from your bike, are 14 stone plus or even as rough as hell all the time, then why would you even consider a revoloution/evoloution or ltf.

billstup · « **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2009, 01:14 PM »

It`s the Scottish mafia that seem to have a problem with these frames, could that be because the frames carry a Union Jack on them ?

If you don`t think a frame is going to be strong enough for you then don`t buy one, but don`t then start slagging them off, just get on with riding your own bike

dialledbikes · « **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2009, 01:46 PM »

Quote from: J.T.RACING on February 09, 2009, 12:51 PM

Mike, just because your not building these frames that doesn't make them wrong. You may be in danger of getting left behind in the coming years if you leave yourself closed to new or alternative methods. Steel and alloy technology moves forward all the time. He's taken the bull by the horns and gone for it with a product he believes in and one or two or even ten out of a thousand on an innovative brand new product seems good numbers from a business perspective. What you say is true about common sense though, if you seem to land most tricks two foot away from your bike, are 14 stone plus or even as rough as hell all the time, then why would you even consider a revoloution/evoloution or ltf.

If my post came across as "because I'm not making these frames they're wrong" then that wasn't the intention. Fair play to UK Bike Co for securing the rights to this new "technology" and going with it. From my perspective, I think it's still very early days to say one way or the other whether this "technology" actually works or not. If none of the frames had broken I would think "it's working", but as a number of frames have shown to have cracked within a few months' of purchase the jury is still out for me. I'm trying to speak objectively here as a fellow bike designer/company owner, not as a hater/rival to Dibly. When all the handbags are put away, this issue of frame weights and longevity is actually a very interesting subject.