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Lookin good there dan OK, here is a question: Does top tube length mean as much as it used to?With standover heights getting lower, and the toptube is more sloping down toward the seat tube, a frame would have to have a longer top tube to have the same "ride" size. Then add to that the steeper head angle that makes the same "length" frame have a shorter wheelbase. On top of that, no one uses the seat for anything now so it doesnt matter if its a few inches foward or backwards in relation to the stem or back wheel.I aint got any answers, but its all messed up now. Maybe we need a new system, if anyone even cares any more.