What Frames Are These?

[Finchibabe]

Hey bought this first one from ebay a few weeks back just because it was cheap and I was board, dam rainy Sunday afternoon lol 

The guy was selling it for his bro din't know much about it, he thought it was a Raleigh Reflex but don't look like it.

Had a mongoose crank but think that was added later, has oval tubing, the F&F seem to match but I don't know if the stem or bars are original.

Can anyone shed any light on it?















I also have this which I think is pug, started taking the paint off it to reveal the chrome but havn't had time to finish. Have the crank & chainwheel that came with, but just moved house and its in a box somewhere can't remember where.

Can anyone enlighten me the serial number is a bit hard to see in the pic it reads CG3068003, have been told am better off melting it down 

[ORB]

'Daddy, whats that brown thing in the toilet?'

[Finchibabe]

Lol fair play  , but not everyone has money for skyways got to start somewhere all be it in the toilet

Would still like to know what they are though??

[jackel]

they look like akisu well the first one does the back brake holder looks mt racing style and the dropouts look like the same as my silverfox

[Finchibabe]

Cheers dude thats what they guys at burner world thought, any thoughts as to the other one?