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earlier ones had the round gussets as did the MX later ones had the oval gusset as far as 280/280x goes I think they where the same frame just diff spec parts, if I am wrong I am sure one of the porker experts will correct me Nice to meet you last night lee, did you get home safe with the mad ginger one [/quoteGood meeting you too. Got home fine thanks, CRAZYADE had a blast. Thanks for the info on my bik