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Cheers dude much appreciated, i just got some orange tuffs and their coaster which i dont really want but unsure if ill use them yet may buy some black ones but might buy the bit from alans anyways , cheers
I know didnt think i would win them, kin typical wanted a pair of orange for ages gave up changed my colour scheme then wallop just as i set my heart on black ones, anyway ill see what nick their in may keep them for pre builds just to get an idea of look etc on other stuff, maybe if i decide i dont want an 85/86 haro master one of those will turn up