Can anyone identify these two bikes please

[Swivel]

Help appreciated.... 

[generallee]

my guess is
top - kuwahara or tange?
bottom - raleigh burner

may be wrong tho!

[1 fat pug]

bottom 1 looks like a burner with skyways

[Jt]

bang on general lee....tops a kuwie..bottoms a raleigh fookpig

[gossa]

That second one looks like a really old Iron Horse (82/82?), only because of the super high bb....

[billstup]

Nice set of steel hubbed skyways on there, Rombloke could get them looking mint 

[SaMAlex]

The second one LOOKS like a mk1 burner but its got a wish bone at the BB / chain stays and the head tube gussett has a plate on each side, when the burners only had one plate.

[SteveG]

Someone else mentioned it on another thread but I wonder if the second one is a Tensor Magnum. The gussets were either side on like this one and some did have 1 piece cranks. There is also a bracket for the chain guard.
Tensor were a cheapy mail order company who advertised in Exchange and Mart. I had one but it had cotter pin cranks on it.

[oberonspacefruit]

either way, its crap.


get those nice skyways sorted, and focus on the top one.

[bof]

Im interested in the tyres off the burner / irion horse / magnum if you are breaking. 

[hunterdubber]

bang on.bottoms a raleigh fookpig

A what

[jT Racing]

top one looks like a tange made frame and the bottom one looks like a wannabe cook bro's made from scaffolding.

[lazychubs]

ive got a frame the same as the top one minus the front gusset as someones removed it 
and serial no is on the dropout

[bmxgirl]

The grips on the yellow one are the same as on my iron horse but the frame is slightly different.