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Ahhhhh GT... what u on about?The Redline MXIII frameset was exactly the same as the MXII frameset apart from the oval stamp on the BB... and the early MXII had slightly smaller rear dropouts! So how is one better than the other?? Plus it's unfair to compare a 1980 frameset to a 1985 frameset!!! GT framesets were nice lookin but notorious for breaking easily in my day..... never saw a broken MXII and I hammered mine!!!! lolJohn