Author Topic: Redline Proline II (Read 128145 times)

ron burgundy · « **Reply #275 on:** August 16, 2007, 06:51 PM »

Do you know what year you bought it?

Tricky · « **Reply #276 on:** August 16, 2007, 08:43 PM »

Quote from: Ron Burgundy on August 16, 2007, 06:51 PM

Do you know what year you bought it?

Hi Bren,
It was definately 1983...
So which model is the most desirable? I suppose I could build it up as either a PLII or Carrera. With a Carrera tho if it was prebuilt there will be less flexibility on the parts i can use to make it as correct

Dont suppose it really matters 20 + years on, i am thinking about something a bit different to the rest but era correct,,,,,Any suggestions??

ron burgundy · « **Reply #277 on:** August 16, 2007, 11:09 PM »

Quote from: Tricky on August 16, 2007, 08:43 PM

Quote from: Ron Burgundy on August 16, 2007, 06:51 PM
Do you know what year you bought it?
Hi Bren,
It was definately 1983...
So which model is the most desirable? I suppose I could build it up as either a PLII or Carrera. With a Carrera tho if it was prebuilt there will be less flexibility on the parts i can use to make it as correct
Dont suppose it really matters 20 + years on, i am thinking about something a bit different to the rest but era correct,,,,,Any suggestions??

1983? the Carrera 1 ( your frame set) ran from 81-82 so I guess the shop it came from could have split an unbuilt Carrera(as it was the old model in 83) and sold the frame set as a PL20.

For me, the most desirable is the Carrera 81-82... but that's what I wanted as a kid.

As you got it as a frame set, build it how you want, I'd try and keep it period, early 1980s, but that's just me

gt0733 · « **Reply #278 on:** August 16, 2007, 11:48 PM »

i'm with ron on this one. the 1981-'82 (ones without the BB brace) seem to be the rarest.
on the brazed dropouts being for carerra, i believe it didn't matter whether it was a carerra or prolineII f/f set. i reckon you got what ever came off the rack first. therefore if you want to build as per the carerra ad or a customised prolineII (with era correct parts) it won't matter. as you can see by my pics i did the latter.

on another note...i've been searching for another f/f set and found quite a few of the real early prolineII's (without BB brace) had the tear drop dropout fork. you can tell the difference between 1979-80 frames from the 1981-82 frames by the size of the head tube triangle brace. the earlier triangle braces were smaller.

GREMLIN · « **Reply #279 on:** August 17, 2007, 03:46 PM »

Almost there now. I sorted a spacer for the chainwheel last night, and all i'm missing now is a brake cable (i cut the one i had too short)

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Here's the latest pic with her flanked by my two Leary Turbo's...

She'll be taken for a decent thrash tomorrow me thinks

Grem'.

ron burgundy · « **Reply #280 on:** August 17, 2007, 04:42 PM »

Looking good Grem

Quote from: gt0733 on August 16, 2007, 11:48 PM

i'm with ron on this one. the 1981-'82 (ones without the BB brace) seem to be the rarest.
on the brazed dropouts being for carerra, i believe it didn't matter whether it was a carerra or prolineII f/f set. i reckon you got what ever came off the rack first. therefore if you want to build as per the carerra ad or a customised prolineII (with era correct parts) it won't matter. as you can see by my pics i did the latter.

on another note...i've been searching for another f/f set and found quite a few of the real early prolineII's (without BB brace) had the tear drop dropout fork. you can tell the difference between 1979-80 frames from the 1981-82 frames by the size of the head tube triangle brace. the earlier triangle braces were smaller.

The frames without the BB brace are US made and only available as a frame kit, the Proline upto 1980, the Proline II into late 82, maybe even later. The bottom bracket shell is stamped with numbers only, no letters.

The frame with the braised dropouts was made in Japan from 81 to late 82, they started with the RA serial numbers, it also has a really thick BB shell, this was probably to do with the sealed bearings not sitting in any cups, but pressed directly into the frame

This frame was only used on the Carrera complete bike. For 83 the Carrera changed to the Carrera II, this did not have braised dropouts, and the BB shell was now a lot lighter duty, the frame used for the Carrera II, 'the PL20 frameset' , was also for sale on it's own as production of the US made frame kits had now stopped.

I would say the frame with the gusset behind the seat tube is the most odd (late82-83?), only seen a few of them, then again I've only seen 3 with the braised drop outs. But people want Americana, so the ones without the BB brace tend to go for more money...

If any one knows any different, then please... fire away

Those early Proline frames are class, like a cross between an MXII and a Proline II, I think the top tube is something like 21" long due to the position of seat tube... i.e. kicked right back, and they go for pennies on ebay too

zed4130 · « **Reply #281 on:** August 17, 2007, 10:19 PM »

looking good mate, bring it over to the old poole track for a thrash

gt0733 · « **Reply #282 on:** August 18, 2007, 11:08 AM »

Quote from: Ron Burgundy on August 17, 2007, 04:42 PM

Looking good Grem

Quote from: gt0733 on August 16, 2007, 11:48 PM
i'm with ron on this one. the 1981-'82 (ones without the BB brace) seem to be the rarest.
on the brazed dropouts being for carerra, i believe it didn't matter whether it was a carerra or prolineII f/f set. i reckon you got what ever came off the rack first. therefore if you want to build as per the carerra ad or a customised prolineII (with era correct parts) it won't matter. as you can see by my pics i did the latter.

on another note...i've been searching for another f/f set and found quite a few of the real early prolineII's (without BB brace) had the tear drop dropout fork. you can tell the difference between 1979-80 frames from the 1981-82 frames by the size of the head tube triangle brace. the earlier triangle braces were smaller.

The frames without the BB brace are US made and only available as a frame kit, the Proline upto 1980, the Proline II into late 82, maybe even later. The bottom bracket shell is stamped with numbers only, no letters.

The frame with the braised dropouts was made in Japan from 81 to late 82, they started with the RA serial numbers, it also has a really thick BB shell, this was probably to do with the sealed bearings not sitting in any cups, but pressed directly into the frame This frame was only used on the Carrera complete bike. For 83 the Carrera changed to the Carrera II, this did not have braised dropouts, and the BB shell was now a lot lighter duty, the frame used for the Carrera II, 'the PL20 frameset' , was also for sale on it's own as production of the US made frame kits had now stopped.

I would say the frame with the gusset behind the seat tube is the most odd (late82-83?), only seen a few of them, then again I've only seen 3 with the braised drop outs. But people want Americana, so the ones without the BB brace tend to go for more money...

If any one knows any different, then please... fire away

Those early Proline frames are class, like a cross between an MXII and a Proline II, I think the top tube is something like 21" long due to the position of seat tube... i.e. kicked right back, and they go for pennies on ebay too

now there is some great info, thanks ol mate

looking good there Grem............for gawds sake stick a chain on it

GREMLIN · « **Reply #283 on:** August 18, 2007, 11:23 AM »

The chain fittting is always the topping off of the build for me

So that'll be in about 30 mins

G.

Paul m8. Give me a shout into next week and i'll bring it along to hit the old Poole track with you

Grem'.

RATTY · « **Reply #284 on:** August 19, 2007, 12:25 AM »

As you all know I love my redlines, and my third PL20 will be the biggest resto I have attempted, Its in very poor condition, with the chrome flaking and deep rust.
Heres the pics of the frame, pretty much as it arrived a few months ago. I will be powdercoating it once I have done the prep work, I fancy a candy red as opposed to the two chrome ones I already have.

ron burgundy · « **Reply #285 on:** August 19, 2007, 01:42 AM »

Nice pics Ratty, I'm working on a RC aswell

was that a full bike?

RATTY · « **Reply #286 on:** August 19, 2007, 07:38 AM »

I got it off a member on here, it came with bars, seat post, forks and the parts you can see.
Bren, can you lmk if you find a supplier for them decals, the later ones. Cheers

ron burgundy · « **Reply #287 on:** August 19, 2007, 09:07 AM »

Will do Ratty

Another bargain on ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190140252096&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009

GREMLIN · « **Reply #288 on:** August 19, 2007, 09:30 AM »

I'm really looking forward to following your resto job on the new project you have there Ratty

Grem'.

gt0733 · « **Reply #289 on:** August 19, 2007, 10:45 AM »

Quote from: Gremlin on August 19, 2007, 09:30 AM

I'm really looking forward to following your resto job on the new project you have there Ratty Grem'.

yup.....me too

RATTY · « **Reply #290 on:** August 19, 2007, 11:51 PM »

Back in 1981 I raced with a guy called Tony Slater, he went on to become one of the first pro racers in the UK, and recently he has started racing again, we have a laugh and joke about our old bikes, he told me months ago he still had his carrerra in the shed!! Well he dug it out today and brought it down for us to see. Flites, pro neck stem , one DX and one XC2 pedal

and Gt bars. Tony is racing at the British Championships next week and was going to try and restore it in time. Maybe 2008 Tone

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gt0733 · « **Reply #291 on:** August 20, 2007, 03:50 AM »

great story, ratty. i love hearing about one owner survivors

i wish i still had my old prolineII from back in '82

ron burgundy · « **Reply #292 on:** August 21, 2007, 06:01 PM »

Cool story Ratty

gt0733 · « **Reply #293 on:** August 22, 2007, 04:14 AM »

see what you guys have done

with all this proline talk, you've gone and made me buy another proline frameset

RATTY · « **Reply #294 on:** August 22, 2007, 10:40 AM »

Its on, a PL20 build off!!!! Mine goes to Superbike Dans for a media blast and powder very soon!! Colour is secret so dont even bother asking

GT are they proper Pro bars, if so Im jealous

ron burgundy · « **Reply #295 on:** August 22, 2007, 05:06 PM »

Quote from: RATTY on August 22, 2007, 10:40 AM

Its on, a PL20 build off!!!! Mine goes to Superbike Dans for a media blast and powder very soon!! Colour is secret so dont even bother asking

GT are they proper Pro bars, if so Im jealous

Secret colour eh!! should be interesting

Nice one GT

Redline · « **Reply #296 on:** August 22, 2007, 05:30 PM »

He he.... a PL20 Build off - I like it!!!

Been reading this thread from the start with great interest... and now I'm in on it!!! lol

Look what you guys have just made me buy.... everyone's gone like totally Proline crazy!!!!!

Crappy small pics I know... will post up some better ones when it arrives from the states. looks pretty good from what I can see!
No letters before the serial on this one just 502365 and the Redline Oval. Has the triangle behind the seat tube area though so I'm guessing 84/85 with the yellow and orange decals! Going to go back to the nicer decals with the white outline after the re-chrome!

Â£198 inc shipping from the states..... have I been done? (don't care if I have. lol)

Better watch out tho guys... I do a nice Redline build - check out my NOS MXII below... yummy!!!!

Game on guys!!!!!

John

GREMLIN · « **Reply #297 on:** August 22, 2007, 06:41 PM »

Very nice G.t and Thirtysix

It's hotting up around this thread now

Grem'.

ron burgundy · « **Reply #298 on:** August 22, 2007, 07:01 PM »

John, nice MXII, what's the serial number?

Redline · « **Reply #299 on:** August 22, 2007, 07:07 PM »

Cheers Ron,

I'll check the serial tonight when I get home... still at work and don't have a mac at home!!!

Got an early NOS Frame & Fork set as well, which I'll never build.... just look at and smile.... love my MXII's, for me it was the best all round racing and jumping Frameset back in the day.

Looking forward to doing this Proline build though! Had one of those too way back when but found it too big when I was 5 foot 2 so always prefered the MXII.

Looking at this thread it seems there are plent of Redline freeks as well as me!! lol

John

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