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Do you know what year you bought it?
Quote from: Ron Burgundy on August 16, 2007, 06:51 PMDo you know what year you bought it?Hi Bren,It was definately 1983...So which model is the most desirable? I suppose I could build it up as either a PLII or Carrera. With a Carrera tho if it was prebuilt there will be less flexibility on the parts i can use to make it as correct Dont suppose it really matters 20 + years on, i am thinking about something a bit different to the rest but era correct,,,,,Any suggestions??
i'm with ron on this one. the 1981-'82 (ones without the BB brace) seem to be the rarest.on the brazed dropouts being for carerra, i believe it didn't matter whether it was a carerra or prolineII f/f set. i reckon you got what ever came off the rack first. therefore if you want to build as per the carerra ad or a customised prolineII (with era correct parts) it won't matter. as you can see by my pics i did the latter.on another note...i've been searching for another f/f set and found quite a few of the real early prolineII's (without BB brace) had the tear drop dropout fork. you can tell the difference between 1979-80 frames from the 1981-82 frames by the size of the head tube triangle brace. the earlier triangle braces were smaller.
Looking good Grem Quote from: gt0733 on August 16, 2007, 11:48 PMi'm with ron on this one. the 1981-'82 (ones without the BB brace) seem to be the rarest.on the brazed dropouts being for carerra, i believe it didn't matter whether it was a carerra or prolineII f/f set. i reckon you got what ever came off the rack first. therefore if you want to build as per the carerra ad or a customised prolineII (with era correct parts) it won't matter. as you can see by my pics i did the latter.on another note...i've been searching for another f/f set and found quite a few of the real early prolineII's (without BB brace) had the tear drop dropout fork. you can tell the difference between 1979-80 frames from the 1981-82 frames by the size of the head tube triangle brace. the earlier triangle braces were smaller.The frames without the BB brace are US made and only available as a frame kit, the Proline upto 1980, the Proline II into late 82, maybe even later. The bottom bracket shell is stamped with numbers only, no letters.The frame with the braised dropouts was made in Japan from 81 to late 82, they started with the RA serial numbers, it also has a really thick BB shell, this was probably to do with the sealed bearings not sitting in any cups, but pressed directly into the frame This frame was only used on the Carrera complete bike. For 83 the Carrera changed to the Carrera II, this did not have braised dropouts, and the BB shell was now a lot lighter duty, the frame used for the Carrera II, 'the PL20 frameset' , was also for sale on it's own as production of the US made frame kits had now stopped.I would say the frame with the gusset behind the seat tube is the most odd (late82-83?), only seen a few of them, then again I've only seen 3 with the braised drop outs. But people want Americana, so the ones without the BB brace tend to go for more money...If any one knows any different, then please... fire away Those early Proline frames are class, like a cross between an MXII and a Proline II, I think the top tube is something like 21" long due to the position of seat tube... i.e. kicked right back, and they go for pennies on ebay too
I'm really looking forward to following your resto job on the new project you have there Ratty Grem'.
Its on, a PL20 build off!!!! Mine goes to Superbike Dans for a media blast and powder very soon!! Colour is secret so dont even bother asking GT are they proper Pro bars, if so Im jealous
