Redline Proline II

[GREMLIN]

That's what i thought m8. But taking a look at Ginny's sets... they're identical to what i have here.   
   G.

[GREMLIN]

looking nice gav, not happy about that decal cutting though whats that all about? are they the ones from the bay i dont understand why they dont fit please explain im in panic mode

Hey Daryl m8.  These are the decal sets from the eBay auction, by seller I.d   a1-89,  out of Mesa Az.
Do not deal with this TOSSPOT!!!     Seriously m8   

At no point in e:mail conversations with him has he in any way even skirted on the fact that he's sold me the wrong item.
He's said... "It's my fault they don't fit". "I must not know what i'm doing"! "That my frame must not be a Proline at all and i'm confused over what bike it is"!!! "How dare i suggest to him he may have supplied the wrong item, when he sells 100's of these decal sets and has never had a single complaint"!  As well as the old chestnut... "It's not my fault you don't know what you're doing", "the items are correct and don't expect me to do anything about it"!!!   CNUT!!! 

STAY AWAY!!!

The pic shows how much decal had to be removed to get them to fit.     G.

[MartyC]

I just had to check that my arse and elbow were different then, luckily they are so I'm happy I can tell the difference between them.  That seller clearly cannot 

They look as though they have the same logo on as the decals they sell on www.bmxstop.com although they don't have the same ones.  Might be worth dropping them a line to see if they have the 20" frame ones at all.

[DR VINOAH]

looking good gav looking good

pleasure to help build such a creature of exquiste nature

cant wait to see her in the flesh ,i mean chromo

if she not finished by MK bring her anyways

peeps dont normally get to see other folks works in progress
all close up n personnal

right then

who,s hiding a 79 MXII  from me

c,mon i know its out there somewhere

brenn you out there
take pity on me
and sell me one of ya baby,s

[kowalski]

gav m8 i hate people like that and thanks for the warning, dont sweat it, i bought mine from bmxmueseum.com but to be honest all the ones ive seen for sale all look the same length on the sheets so only time will tell, your bike looks awesome mate, i think there will soon be 2 identical ones on here!!!i just know how niggly little things like that can be, and its obviously bothering you as it would me. are you gonna try another set? when mine turn up i will let you know if its the same deal, i think it will be somehow..... let me know the outcome dude  and keep up the good work

[Frosty]

I have only seen the decals in the form that you have shown. From memory the decals were sanctioned by redline and given that the set caters for both PL 20 and 24 the downtube decal needs to be long enough for the largest application, so my guess is that the cut down was always anticipated for pl20 applications.

Unless anyone can post a pic of the repro sets with 2 types of downtube decal, I suspect Gremlin has done what was required!!

[MartyC]

Unless anyone can post a pic of the repro sets with 2 types of downtube decal, I suspect Gremlin has done what was required!!

I have to say I've never had the need to get a set of these decals but I can't imagine that a regular punter would be expected to trim them down to size but hey, I learn something new about BMX everyday 

[kowalski]

makes sense frosty but like marty says you shouldnt really have to butcher your own stickers especially with no prior warning from the seller, and at the end of the day no ones gonna win any prizes having joined up decals on a frame are they, it really sucks, ps does anyone know if firebird does repro padsets?? 

[GREMLIN]

So my guess is that the cut down was always anticipated for pl20 applications.

I did think of this straight away as i realised the down tube decals were probably for the PL24" application.
But as said I wouldn't expect to have to butcher a decal, to cut 'n' shut it to fit.
Nowhere does it state i was going to have to cut chunks out of it , to fit my frame, in it's discription.
Even then i may have accepted this choice. But the sellers whole attitude of "it's your fault", "shut up and go away" has got me baying for blood  "My frame and forks must be fake", or "You probably don't even have Redline Pl20 there"!!! 
I know each set cost about a tenner. It's not the money now. It's the principal    G.

[ron burgundy]

I thought the chainstay bridge came in 83, for the PL's have I been mistaken?

81(RA serial number) for the complete Jap made Carrera complete bike, but the PL20 frame set was still being built in the US ( it's the US frame sets that have no bridge at the chainstay) and long into 82, not sure when they stopped though

Carrera give away...



Brazing the drop outs

If any one else has any info on these frame sets, please chip in, it's taken me some time getting this material together...  even more info would be even better



As for the decals, you did right to cut them up...  I'm pretty sure that is the only set you can buy, and from what I remember, it was a balls up... just like the rest of the stickers Redline and BMXSTOP did...

[GREMLIN]

I'm still a bit in the dark over my frame and forks then 
I have a Redline Proline II frame and forks.  No letters before the digits in my serial number. A gusset behind the seat post tube. My rear drops are welded. 
So from what i can gather so far, Mine was never a Carrera build as the rear drops aren't brazed on. Also it's not an early one as i have a cross member between the chain stays.  Am i right in this thinking?    Anything else we can nail down?  G.

[ron burgundy]

Hey Gremlin... If those are the factory stickers you removed then I think it's a late 82, because in 83 it would look like this...

Check out the frame on the far right



Frame at the back



Same as yours, but 83 stickers...

So, I would say they made your frame type from the end of 82 into 83... 


 

[kowalski]

i'll add a bit more to the info gav, according to my tracking number from usps my frame and forks has been sat in customs at heathrow since 10.30 am tuesday morning i just hope the 83 model didnt come with coke and crystal meth filled downtubes !!!!!!!!

[GREMLIN]

Thanx Ron. I'm happy to think my frame and fork set is a late '82. early '83.  That's exactly around the time when i first heard of a Redline Carrera.
With me and a mate arguing in class whether a Diamond back Harry leary turbo (me), or a Redline Carrera (him) was the ultimate machine. Almost come to fisty cuffs infact lol.  I'm still winning with 2 turbo's to 1 Proline in the house  . This proline is well under my skin now tho...  Seems like they're under most of ours the way this thread has been running.

Hey Daryl...   Sat in a warehouse up at Heathrow (sounds a bit "Cool for cats" - Squeeze 1979).
At least it's in the country at last m8. Won't be long now. Mid morning tomorrow it may be on your doorstep.  Or not... 
Don't forget to have the digicam fired up.  Looking forward to seeing another build on the go.   G 

[gt0733]

about a year ago i sent an email to the redline rep asking about correct 3 colour prolineII stickers. his return email indicated he was looking in to it.........................what a load of $hit.
if the best they can do is reproduce some crappy, innacurate stickers then they do not deserve patronage. my repos were better than their crap. if they spent half as much getting their sticker sets accurate than chasing copyright infringement, they wouldn't have the infringement in the first place. imagine proper looking sticker sets and pads made by the proper people at a sensible price.  .......................it's ok now, i've had my medication, chill!

hey Ron, whats on your BB id for that brazed frame?

[Frosty]

Cheers for clearing that up Ron. I was looking for those pics when the question of the gusset was first raised I just couldn't find them.

Mine is an 83 Carrera II frame, I just have to decide if I'm going to get re-chromed or not, but I have everything I need to complete the build now



soon to look like this but with straight bars rather than V's

[Mattdub]

Ron's right about the decals , the only official ones are BMXSTOP/Redline licensed ones and they are normally the wrong lengths ( I bought RL20 decals and the downtube needs cutting = BMXSTOP ones ) .

My PL will probably be done for MK08 and will be a little different to most  .

Likin' the blue/chrome Ron 

[GREMLIN]

It would have been nice to be forewarned about the decals being the wrong length and requiring cutting to fit. If as the seller stated has supplied hundreds of the decal sets, he should be aware.
I would not have sourced these couple of sets if i was informed about needing to cut 'n' paste. 
What made it worse was the way he told me i must be some kind of retard who doesn't know how to fit decals and not know what bike i have...! That's my main issue.
I may not even stay with this decal scheme. Originally i was looking to put the red/yellow fade set on. And if a good quality set surfaces i'll probably pick a set up for the future.    G.

[Frosty]

Gremlin,

It may be that no one other than you has actually gone back and mentioned the problem, fair play to you though for bringing it to the attention of a wider audience. I guess in the absence of the oe decals the decision is do you apply a set that needs cutting to fit a 20" or a colour run set that are not very good quality??

[GREMLIN]

I see where you're coming from Frosty m8.  The decals debate is now at an end.    The seller is still a gobshite tho  ...Sorry.

[kowalski]

finally picked her up today from the friendly dispatch type persons, after a long old wait and an extra 50 quid import tax(choker) i can now get to work on my first resto!!!! chrome is not in the worst state however there are a few deep gauges on one side of the downtube which were not all shown by the seller but will hopefully get covered by decals, other than that the minor stratches should (with a lot of rubbing and autosol) come out i hope!!!! any info on the frame will be welcome any advice on small but deep scratches gratefully accepted also many thanks to everyone on here who has helped and advised me so far:daumenhoch:                      oh and can someone please tell me how the hell you get the top and bottom bit of the old headset off , please at least i think thats what it is??

[GREMLIN]

Nice 1 m8. Lovely isn't it ?
Where the headtube is flared at the ends it's hard to get in behind the cups from inside the headtube isn't it?
I used my trusty block of soft'ish wood on the outside of the headtube (butted up against the cup). Then twatted the end of the wood at different points til the cup had moved out enough that i could get my socket extension bar in behind the cup inside the headtube. Then finished em off.     G.

To be honest tho m8. I don't know what others would think. But if the headset cups are in decent enough condition it may be worth leaving them in and using them with your Beartrap set. I may have with mine but the cups left in the frame were pretty mullered.  Just a thought.

[kowalski]

cheers mr g, i thought a bit of wood would be in order, they are not completely mullered but seeing as the beartraps are brand new i may as well give it a go, shame about the deep nics on the downtube, im just hoping the old cut and shut decals cover them, looks like im going for that look now if i like it or not!!!

[moohan]

you sure it aint a cut and shut frame mr kowalski,you better get your work bench in the bathroom as you spend so much time in there.

ps i hope thats not my mint speedy j cd on your carpet

[GREMLIN]

The decals should cover the nics on your frame m8. I've one tiny little nick on the downtube also. But mines dead center on top of the tube. If i managed to get a set of red/yellow fade decals it would've been covered. So for now it still shows. I can live with it for now tho.     G.