Author Topic: 1994 Holmes, dragged into the 90s! (Read 6250 times)

SaMAlex · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2007, 07:54 PM »

Its not really OS legal. It is 1" but its got a U brake with brake mounts. You could always run a side pull or pitbull on it and just not use the brake mounts (I think that is OK).

It is 1" so its pre 94/95. Its also a mk3 with a U brake so its gotta be one of the later 1". Its probably about a 93 or 94 frame. Id be able to get a better idea if you have the frame number?

Word is that S&M are going to be re-doing some of their old stickers but nothing is confirmed yet. Fingers crossed, ay?

muttley · « **Reply #26 on:** June 29, 2007, 08:21 AM »

Seeing as its got threaded forks i dont see why it wouldnt be OS legal, i mean we wouldnt have any probs with that turning up at Hersden

The brakes is only a minor issue

SaMAlex · « **Reply #27 on:** June 29, 2007, 08:37 AM »

Here's what is says on the MK thread:

"Old school bikes need to be 1" headset & caliper brake (pitbull allowed) .
RWYB is Mid and New School ie 1 1/8 headsets and/or canti or V brakes ."

It doesnt really say what to do if you are in the middle ground of 1" headset but with brake mounts.

I would take OS to mean "forks that bend, brakes that dont work"

dialledbikes · « **Reply #28 on:** June 29, 2007, 09:52 AM »

Quote from: muttley on June 29, 2007, 08:21 AM

Seeing as its got threaded forks i dont see why it wouldnt be OS legal, i mean we wouldnt have any probs with that turning up at Hersden The brakes is only a minor issue

That's the assumption I bought it on Muttley, as a U-brake is still a caliper brake (not a cantilever/v-brake brake), and just as ineffective as an MX1000 or Pitbull on wet chrome rims

SaMAlex · « **Reply #29 on:** June 29, 2007, 10:29 AM »

Hmmm, Thats a good point. I took "Caliper brakes" to mean side pull mx1000 / nipon.

Stodgy · « **Reply #30 on:** June 29, 2007, 11:17 AM »

I'll get Mattdub over to clarify this chaps...

He's the MK race man.

dialledbikes · « **Reply #31 on:** June 29, 2007, 11:24 AM »

Quote from: Stodgy on June 29, 2007, 11:17 AM

I'll get Mattdub over to clarify this chaps...

He's the MK race man.

Clarification would be good.

My understanding is that brakes where the arms are bolted together (i.e. MX1000, Pitbull and 990s) are caliper brakes. Brakes where the arms are bolted to the frame separately and operate using a straddle wire/cantilever action are classed as cantilever brakes (v-brakes are a from of cantilever brake with longer arms).

I can understand if cantis aren't OS legal as they only really started being used on BMX frames after 1996. But if Pitbulls are OS legal, 990s/U-brakes should be too as they work in the same way as a caliper brake (but full from the centre rather than the side).

SaMAlex · « **Reply #32 on:** June 29, 2007, 12:00 PM »

Id argue that 990s and pitbulls dont have the arms that are bolted together, and that 990s do operate using a straddle wire.

Also, what if you got a 990 or canti, bolt on backing plate, and used one of them?

Annnnnd, didnt people use those crappy bolt on center pull brakes (that work the same as a 990) on race BMXs bitd sometimes?

I think that frame mounted brake luggs arent OS, and that needs to somehow include bolt on brake luggs. (Im not sure where Pitbulls fit in tho)

...this is getting cool now.

dialledbikes · « **Reply #33 on:** June 29, 2007, 12:24 PM »

I thought this OS racing lark was just supposed to be old men pretending to be teenagers again, not PHD Brake Physics

I can't imagine a 990 brake being deemed illegal as long as the bike has a threaded fork, shafted stem and flat pedals.

Though I might clip-in for the OS races next season seeing as there's no rules on pedals

muttley · « **Reply #34 on:** June 29, 2007, 12:30 PM »

As i said this kinda thing gets overlooked at Hersden (within reason of course). As long as you are running an old/mid school and keep it in the spirit of things we dont care.

Stodgy · « **Reply #35 on:** June 29, 2007, 12:31 PM »

I'm sure Matt will be on soon to clarify, so hold tight.

I'm quite sure that for most of us, a non-caliper brake would not give us the advantage to win!

SaMAlex · « **Reply #36 on:** June 29, 2007, 12:33 PM »

Yeah man. I’m with you there; it’s just a bit of fun riding some classic bikes.

The only thing I know is that someone on the site entered an OS race, his first time of racing (I don’t wanna say who it was, it wasn’t me). He was riding a lovely bike with 1" threaded forks and a pitbull. Well, he got loads of hassle from one of the other racers cos his bike, according to this other guy, was "mid". It should be easy to ignore this kind of thing but it really spoiled the day and I get the feeling it put the guy of going to another race.

As long as I get to turn the pedals more than I usually do in a year, and maybe jump a few sets of doubles then I dont care what kind of brake is going to do a bad job of stopping me at the end!

dialledbikes · « **Reply #37 on:** June 29, 2007, 12:48 PM »

Quote from: S&MAlex on June 29, 2007, 12:33 PM

The only thing I know is that someone on the site entered an OS race, his first time of racing (I don’t wanna say who it was, it wasn’t me). He was riding a lovely bike with 1" threaded forks and a pitbull. Well, he got loads of hassle from one of the other racers cos his bike, according to this other guy, was "mid". It should be easy to ignore this kind of thing but it really spoiled the day and I get the feeling it put the guy of going to another race.

That sounds so petty.

If OS racing is gonna get bigger, then I guess come clearer guidelines might need to be drawn up around what parts are and aren't acceptable. It will be a shame if bureaucracy and pettiness like that becomes common though, as it should, as Alex says, be just about a bunch of middle aged men reliving their youth on some classic bikes that might otherwise have been left to rot.

rory · « **Reply #38 on:** June 29, 2007, 07:56 PM »

thats a mk bike alex , race it and represent

Dingobmxer · « **Reply #39 on:** June 29, 2007, 08:15 PM »

Heres what I race/am racing, 1" threaded and Pitbull, used it at last years MK and hope to use it at this one

I even have some new school bits on there as I feel its safer that way

DINGO

dialledbikes · « **Reply #40 on:** June 29, 2007, 08:40 PM »

Quote from: Dingobmxer on June 29, 2007, 08:15 PM

Heres what I race/am racing, 1" threaded and Pitbull, used it at last years MK and hope to use it at this one

I even have some new school bits on there as I feel its safer that way

DINGO

Another nice ride there Mark. I agree about the new school bits. We all weigh about twice as much as we did in the 80's and are probably twice as clumsy.

Dingobmxer · « **Reply #41 on:** June 29, 2007, 08:43 PM »

Thanks Mike,
dropouts need fixing though

DINGO

dialledbikes · « **Reply #42 on:** June 29, 2007, 08:57 PM »

Crikey, what happened there? Somebody try to convert it to 14mm?

Dingobmxer · « **Reply #43 on:** June 29, 2007, 09:00 PM »

They have been butchered out to 17mm

Off to Fuzzynod for a repair after MK though

DINGO

the_cyclops · « **Reply #44 on:** July 05, 2007, 11:41 PM »

Cool looking S&M

Check out the original Bench sticker on the toptube (From a time when Bench wasn't Chav wear!)

EL CID · « **Reply #45 on:** July 06, 2007, 06:28 AM »

Alex yougonna do a yellow holmes?I am thinking heavy on doing my mk2 yellow and the mk 1 ups brown like Chris almost talked me into buying in the early years.Cover the crome up for now.Keep me up on the dvd's

SaMAlex · « **Reply #46 on:** July 06, 2007, 08:28 AM »

Yeah man, Yellow for sure! Yellow Holmes frames was what it was all about! I have got a mk2 that is chrome and stickerless so that is looking most lightly to go Yellow. I wasnt even going to build it up but that picture of Will Smyth is so nice, and I have got most of those parts anyway. It would be a shame not to build it up.

As for the DVDs, I have got as far as getting hold of a DVD writer .... and not even got it out of the box yet. I will keep you posted, it should happen soon.