first one isn`t a judge as by the look of pic the top tube doesn`t go flat where it goes into seat section .looks the same as the one i sold radman but that was a real one .
second one is cool and futuristic black was a hutch colour and very rare ,i didn`t know they did that on the judge thought it was only a trickstar thing also that colour did come out till after 85 when hutch started playing with colours