Author Topic: condor just turned up (Read 6232 times)

harris · « **Reply #25 on:** March 07, 2007, 07:12 PM »

battle scars youve just got to love em.

Stodgy · « **Reply #26 on:** March 07, 2007, 07:57 PM »

They were ridden hard dude - I'd build that one up as a survivor...battle scars and all!

fuzzynod · « **Reply #27 on:** March 07, 2007, 11:35 PM »

Quote from: Zippy on March 07, 2007, 03:30 PM

I tell you as soon as I'm in righteous employment again and have got a bit of cash behind me I'm going to build myself a hoffman.

Fell in love with Fuzzy's white bike at Bristol then Dave's Flash. Would love an early condor though.

Er hum may I draw your attention to. http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=30539.0 I Thank you

rakas17 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 07, 2007, 11:42 PM »

shameless... how much would your mate charge me to straighten this offending seat stay then? where is he based?

fuzzynod · « **Reply #29 on:** March 08, 2007, 12:13 AM »

I have just been comparing you frame to my own which is an early SE built one it has the same thin drop outs and the small wall thickness peg tubes on the rear I would say that yours is of the same Vintage an early production frame from S.E. With the relaxed head tube angle at 70 degrees.They ride lovely on ramps.Mine was brought from Backyard in Hastings in August 92.

As there is no sign of Chrome it would have been blue the closest Match is Peugeot indigo blue.
The replacement of that tube is about 2 hrs work and with materials would cost £90 +Vat

A link to the pics of my frame and the work.

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=22390.0

Great find

The Guy said it was the first one in France I dont think he was lying

fuzzynod · « **Reply #30 on:** March 08, 2007, 12:24 AM »

Oh by the way not wishing to seem anal but the guy carved to the left judging by the damage to the right hand rear peg mount.
Help I think im losing it

Zippy · « **Reply #31 on:** March 08, 2007, 12:26 AM »

Quote from: fuzzynod on March 07, 2007, 11:35 PM

Quote from: Zippy on March 07, 2007, 03:30 PM
I tell you as soon as I'm in righteous employment again and have got a bit of cash behind me I'm going to build myself a hoffman.

Fell in love with Fuzzy's white bike at Bristol then Dave's Flash. Would love an early condor though.

Er hum may I draw your attention to. http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=30539.0 I Thank you

Please don't tempt me I loved that bike when you had it built up. I really wish I could afford it but I've got to pay back just over 200 in overpaid wages from my last job.

Stodgy · « **Reply #32 on:** March 08, 2007, 10:22 AM »

Quote from: fuzzynod on March 08, 2007, 12:13 AM

I have just been comparing you frame to my own which is an early SE built one it has the same thin drop outs and the small wall thickness peg tubes on the rear I would say that yours is of the same Vintage an early production frame from S.E. With the relaxed head tube angle at 70 degrees.They ride lovely on ramps.Mine was brought from Backyard in Hastings in August 92.

As there is no sign of Chrome it would have been blue the closest Match is Peugeot indigo blue.
The replacement of that tube is about 2 hrs work and with materials would cost £90 +Vat

A link to the pics of my frame and the work.

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=22390.0

Great find The Guy said it was the first one in France I dont think he was lying

Rakas...are you sure those drop outs are 5mm as you said? 'Cause I think Fuzzy is right...they do look thinner...perhaps it's all the paint padding them out?

rakas17 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 08, 2007, 12:35 PM »

just measured them again, they're deffo 5mm ish, certainly no less than 4.5mm. they are pretty battered but i used my verniers.

oberonspacefruit · « **Reply #34 on:** March 08, 2007, 12:36 PM »

i trust your verniers.

rakas17 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 08, 2007, 01:16 PM »

i'm trying to get to the bottom of the "what colour was it" subject.. fuzzy reckon it was blue but theres deffo no sign of blue, in this first pic you can see.... black powder coat, grey primer, thin coat of dark green,thick coat of shiny pale yellow, yellowy primer then metal. theres no blue on the frame at all.

next two pics you can see where its rusty and the powder, grey and green have flaked off leaving this gloss yellow which is stuck on good.

the forks are a different story.. looking at the steerer.... green on top, shiny pale yellow then the elusive blue

right, heres my theory by lookin at what i've got. forks were blue in the factory, they wanted a yellow bike so the blank frame and blue forks were painted yellow.. an owner of the bike then sprayed it green, mangled the seat stay had it fixed primed then powdered black.. the green went on before the repair cos theres no green on that area...
if this is the case then i will repaint it yellow, question is.... what frickin colour stickers does it need?

so hoffman boys, what do you think? bearing in mind that as far as everyone thought they came in chrome or blue and theres no way this was either...

joe

harris · « **Reply #36 on:** March 08, 2007, 01:18 PM »

for me green or blue.

oberonspacefruit · « **Reply #37 on:** March 08, 2007, 01:30 PM »

photo shop it.

oberonspacefruit · « **Reply #38 on:** March 08, 2007, 02:56 PM »

Stodgy · « **Reply #39 on:** March 08, 2007, 03:13 PM »

Okay this is my theory:

1) F&F left SE factory in Blue and shipped to France.
2) Heathen French twonk strips the blue (missing a bit at the top of the fork steering tube).
3) Heathen French twonk then re-sprays it a homosexual yellow to prove that he is in touch with his feminin side.
4) Heathen French twonk then spends too much on garlic and snails that he can't afford a new frame, so sets about re-spraying it every year to match his latest cravat.
5) Man in UK buys frame on ebay, to hopefully save it, understand it, love it and restore it to it's former beauty.

IMO it has to go either Blue or Chrome - it's a Mk1 SE Condor FFS, you should be true to it's heritage.

Read Mat Hoffman's book and you'll have a whole new level of respect for what you have.

If you do it yellow, both me and fuzzynod will set fire to you at MK.

So there.

rakas17 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 08, 2007, 03:37 PM »

dont get me wrong, i want it like it should have been but if you saw the frame you'd know what i mean about no blue. i cant imagine he would have stripped it to the metal... the forks were blue all over cos you can see bits of it on the drop outs...

i'll do it blue if thats what it was but i cant be sure and i like the idea that mine is different to the others...

mmmmmmmmmm still waiting for a reply from frenchy about what it used to look like

Stodgy · « **Reply #41 on:** March 08, 2007, 03:41 PM »

It's your bike dude, so you do it how you want. But for me, there is only two choices; blue or chrome...OR it could have been Chrome Frame with Blue forks. Hoffman used to ride Blue frame with Chrome forks...so there must be a couple of sets around that were opposite...just a thought.

rakas17 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:49 PM »

after further inspection and paint scratching its clear that there is no blue on the fork legs apart from round the dropouts, there for indicating that they probably were stripped and maybe also the frame, so i thought i'd dig into the paint on the frame where stripper might not have got and low and behold inside the bottom bracket is some blue paint..

for mr stodgy, your theory was spot on except the cravat part, i reckon he was matching the colour of his beret.

so blue it is then, although i wouldn't mind having the chrome forks like in the pics on that other thread..

Stodgy · « **Reply #43 on:** March 08, 2007, 08:57 PM »

Or he could have been matching the ladies underwear he had on...damn French.

Nice one dude! Now read the book and you'll love it even more!

fuzzynod · « **Reply #44 on:** March 08, 2007, 10:11 PM »

Quote from: rakas17 on March 08, 2007, 06:49 PM

after further inspection and paint scratching its clear that there is no blue on the fork legs apart from round the dropouts, there for indicating that they probably were stripped and maybe also the frame, so i thought i'd dig into the paint on the frame where stripper might not have got and low and behold inside the bottom bracket is some blue paint.. for mr stodgy, your theory was spot on except the cravat part, i reckon he was matching the colour of his beret.
so blue it is then, although i wouldn't mind having the chrome forks like in the pics on that other thread..

Thats exactly where I found enough paint to colour match, when I spoke to Mark Owen who has worked for/with Mat since day one he told me that the frames came bare from S.E then they were either polished and sent for chroming or cleaned and sent to a local paint shop to be painted POSTAL BLUE this is a US postal service colour and i had a mate who works for a auto paint company try and track down the mix to no avail. So we came up with Peugeot Indigo blue as used on the 106 etc.
Mark also said that they were selling faster than they could process them so they had no time or need to vary the colourway.
If you think yours is bad check oout my one http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=7564.msg84956#msg84956 .

For future reference the early S.E made bikes had 3/16" OR 5.07mm dropouts and a 70degree headtube.The later Ramp room built bikes had 1/4" or 6.35mm dropouts and a 72degree headtube angle.
So happy you are going blue

rakas17 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 08, 2007, 10:27 PM »

cool. apart from dropouts i think mine is in far worse condition. oh well, i wanted a project.. i think i'm goona strip it and sort out all the dents and stuff but leave the crooked seat stay as a homage to its action days. that and the budget, i think its cool for it to have a bit of character... also i don't think i'm gonna build it part specific, just era specific so i can add my own bit of flava...
do your stickers look more green in the flesh cos they look well yellowy on the computer.?

fuzzynod · « **Reply #46 on:** March 08, 2007, 10:31 PM »

Yeah they are almost exact green but Stodgy is working on the updated version as we speak.You will be amazed what difference a beadblast will make to the look of the frame.

rakas17 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 08, 2007, 10:34 PM »

my mate that does chroming is gonna dip it for me, do you think that will be enough or will it need a blast as well. i've got a shotblaster at my work but the grit isn't very heavy duty and it takes ages to get any serious results..

fuzzynod · « **Reply #48 on:** March 08, 2007, 11:02 PM »

I would have thought the dip should do the job just the blasting gives a good key for the paint.

MartyC · « **Reply #49 on:** March 08, 2007, 11:08 PM »

Guys, I just want to say thanks for keeping us up to date on this thread, I'm learning heaps here and am enjoying the reading