Author Topic: tuff wheels and rose tinted glasses (Read 9329 times)

Rombloke · « **Reply #125 on:** November 28, 2006, 11:45 PM »

i dont recall anywhere in this thread saying that the tuff was a better wheel, .....ffs
this is a wind up right .....

graeme ive agreed all along that the spoked wheel is a better wheel.

but this is how i see it, in the early days of freestyle, all the top boys ran tuffs.....kids being kids wanted to emulate their heros, the guys of whom they had posters of on there wall, and wanted tuffs....youve only got to look at the early pics of rom and harrow and s/sea.....tuffs everywhere, hardly any spokes.
in the mid eighties the riding progressed and the general concencus was...look lads, spokes are better for this shit....so the top pros ran em....then all the kids wanted spokes....your from the later catergory, and green toad not once has anybody said spokes or one piece cranks are not era correct.......the first bmx i ever saw was a mongoose.......it had both.

i might start another thread with a vote.

tuffs would win in here, but no doubt spokes would win over in the race section

Dave

Rombloke · « **Reply #126 on:** November 28, 2006, 11:47 PM »

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oh and haro's

Dave

selfpreservation · « **Reply #127 on:** November 28, 2006, 11:49 PM »

how many survivor sets of spokes in usable condition do you seee for sale these days

, what would you pay for a used set of araya 7x from bitd? yet tuffs come up all the time for £100 or there abouts, in fact there still making them

theRuler · « **Reply #128 on:** November 28, 2006, 11:53 PM »

did pepi ride with tuffs?
i remember him on spokes. but that could have been on an ammaco, for the reason bill mentioned.

its right about buying what the top riders rode.
anybody buy a skyway platform?

Quote from: selfpreservation on November 28, 2006, 11:49 PM

how many survivor sets of spokes in usable condition do you seee for sale these days , what would you pay for a used set of araya 7x from bitd? yet tuffs come up all the time for £100 or there abouts, in fact there still making them

spoked wheels dont last too long in the garden shed.
you cant just bung em in bleach!!

Bren Gunn · « **Reply #129 on:** November 28, 2006, 11:55 PM »

Someone please say smothing interesting........

Trev · « **Reply #130 on:** November 28, 2006, 11:55 PM »

Quote from: theRuler on November 28, 2006, 11:53 PM

did pepi ride with tuffs?

Pepi rode Tuffs whilst he was on Vincent and obvisously when he was on Skyway, although he did ride spokes on Ammaco.

theRuler · « **Reply #131 on:** November 28, 2006, 11:58 PM »

Quote from: Bren Gunn on November 28, 2006, 11:55 PM

Someone please say smothing interesting........

come on man this a great thread

lively discussion, loads of pics, difference of opinions!

theRuler · « **Reply #132 on:** November 29, 2006, 12:02 AM »

Quote from: haro-os-boy on November 29, 2006, 12:00 AM

Quote from: theRuler on November 28, 2006, 11:58 PM
Quote from: Bren Gunn on November 28, 2006, 11:55 PM
Someone please say smothing interesting........

i am a clueless shuffle munsterer!

Look what you've started here! So glad you have the internet at home again

Bru

lol yeh i changed that
although you could have a poll and it would come out as being true

Bren Gunn · « **Reply #133 on:** November 29, 2006, 12:19 AM »

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smothing

eh?

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come on man this a great thread

lively discussion, loads of pics, difference of opinions!

Okay... what year or years are you talking about?

theRuler · « **Reply #134 on:** November 29, 2006, 12:22 AM »

my bmx-perience (lol) is limited to the years 83-89

Bren Gunn · « **Reply #135 on:** November 29, 2006, 12:33 AM »

Well there you have it... I stopped in late 84/ 85 when I was 15... Tuffs still ruled and Araya Aeros where hard as nails... never cast eyes on a set of 48s till 91, when I got back into it again, but that never stopped Eddy Roman from riding the plastic fantastic now did it?

ORB · « **Reply #136 on:** November 29, 2006, 12:45 AM »

I cant ride for shit, but i enjoy riding my bike, and Tuffs do it for me.

I have a few spokey wheels, yes, they are ok.

Rombloke · « **Reply #137 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:57 AM »

Quote from: theRuler on November 28, 2006, 11:53 PM

anybody buy a skyway platform?

now they were shite.....i only ever remember seeing campbell and a few other skyway riders use em.....but not every top fresstyle rider em.....

like tuffs....

Dave

radders · « **Reply #138 on:** November 29, 2006, 09:46 AM »

I mainly used Tuff wheels until early 1988, when I got my first Haro Team Sport with HP48's on it. Prior to that I'd had a few flirtations with spoked wheels, mainly for racing but I had a couple of set that I briefly used for freestyle. I had a set of Araya 7L's that I used on ramps for a while, before folding (literally) the back wheel after hanging up. I then switched back to tuffs for a while. In mid 87 I had some Ukai 36's with a rear coaster, when I got my neon yellow master, the braking and responsiveness were a revelation. However I switched back to tuffs after Peter Hawkins gave me a couple of free pairs to use. Once I got my first pair of 48's though, I never switched back.

Tuffs did look great and the had a number of advantages over spokes. They were cheap, they were low maintenance and they were fairly indestructable. On the downside, they did flex, they were heavy and brakes didnt work great with them, particularly when potts mod's and the early rotors started to appear. Also when half pipe riding started to become more popular and people started increasing tyre pressures, you would notice that the rims would bulge outwards inbetween the spokes, but remain at the same width where the spokle joined the rim, so you would have pulsing from the brakes when you used them, not a huge issue for ramps, but as rolling tricks were starting to come into fashion then, feathering the brakes was difficult. Also with higher pressures, tyres tended to become unseated more easily. Now the graphite wheels didnt suffer anywear near as much from the flex and bulging and weight, but they were more brittle and expensive.

The other thing to remember is that when we were all riding tuffs, we were all a lot smaller and lighter, so the issues with flex and poor breaking where a lot less noticeable.

theRuler · « **Reply #139 on:** November 29, 2006, 10:32 AM »

smaller and lighter. thems were the days

oberonspacefruit · « **Reply #140 on:** November 29, 2006, 10:38 AM »

Quote from: Rom Bloke on November 29, 2006, 07:57 AM

Quote from: theRuler on November 28, 2006, 11:53 PM
anybody buy a skyway platform?

now they were shite.....i only ever remember seeing campbell and a few other skyway riders use em.....but not every top fresstyle rider em.....

like tuffs....

Dave

dordy's always buying them.

theRuler · « **Reply #141 on:** November 29, 2006, 10:41 AM »

a friend of mine got his dad to make one for his zapper.

it wasnt very good. well made, just not a good idea

another example of clueless magazine brainwashing saying you need twin toptubes to have a freestyle bike

madall · « **Reply #142 on:** November 29, 2006, 11:16 AM »

I love Tuff's so does the mrs, she thinks tuffs are the coolest looking wheel on any bmx so there....

theRuler · « **Reply #143 on:** November 29, 2006, 11:18 AM »

lol i am way outnumbered here

probably the same ratio as to who prefers racing to freestyle

pickle · « **Reply #144 on:** November 29, 2006, 12:06 PM »

Quote from: MadAll on November 29, 2006, 11:16 AM

I love Tuff's so does the mrs, she thinks tuffs are the coolest looking wheel on any bmx so there....

Mate...if your (now famous amungst rad members) Mrs loves em....then that's good enough for me!

and dam it, that should be good enough for any man!!

brass monkey! · « **Reply #145 on:** November 29, 2006, 12:18 PM »

Another quality Pic from MadAll !! How does he do it !

Here babe, cuddle this tuff wheel in your sexy underwear, superb !

pickle · « **Reply #146 on:** November 29, 2006, 04:51 PM »

Quote from: haro-os-boy on November 29, 2006, 02:37 PM

Quote from: monkeybiscuits! on November 29, 2006, 12:18 PM

Another quality Pic from MadAll !! How does he do it !

Here babe, cuddle this tuff wheel in your sexy underwear, superb !

Can't see my Mrs doing that, I suspect the second word would be OFF

B

No one would want to see my Mrs doing that!

Moose · « **Reply #147 on:** November 29, 2006, 05:20 PM »

I think the best thing would be to let Mrs Madall have the final word on any discussion - a 'Mrs Madall says....' along with a picture?

What do you reckon?

Madall?

Ramp Rat · « **Reply #148 on:** November 29, 2006, 05:51 PM »

This may have already been said.....Tuff's are classic and looked killer and still do look killer for the old skool bikes, I love them on a TA and PK Ripper and scott Freeman invented a trick where you stand inbetween the tuff spokes and pump round in cirlces, very gay trick. Once 48's came out and you could get the tire pressure to 60-70 PSI, halp pipe riding became a whole new game, the speed was intense, I remember the first time I switch from Tuffs to 48's, I was on Jess Dynoforce's ramp in Highgate, I rolled in and shit my pants it was so fast, pumping the ramp became effortless and the airs kept getting higher due to the high pressure tires, plus the bike was lighter and more mobile. Nearly every Skyway team rider that left the team went onto spokes...Neil Ruffel did on his Hotshot bike.

jeff spicoli · « **Reply #149 on:** November 29, 2006, 06:23 PM »

That makes a lot of sense and just about covers it

. Spokes for performance and tuffs for nostalga I think you have to agree.

Author Topic: tuff wheels and rose tinted glasses (Read 9329 times)

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