Author Topic: SKYWAY FLANGE RIVETS (Read 8737 times)

Steve P · « **on:** November 19, 2006, 05:06 PM »

It's a long shot but has anyone succeeded in replacing Skyway hubs using original rivets rather than using those ugly bolts . . . what tools did you use to set them

Any help will be much appreciated

Steve

gjs · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2006, 05:28 PM »

Steve, do you have the original rivets,any chance of a pic

lazychubs · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2006, 05:42 PM »

didnt jay do his own
or try ya local skool and ask the metal work teacher
prob called somit else nowadays tho lol

mightynimrod · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2006, 05:42 PM »

Im sure a machine shop would have the right press and rivets long enough to do the job mate - reckon it would just be a question of shopping around.

Steve P · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2006, 05:46 PM »

I have one original rivet here which has been lent to me to take measurements. I also have a contact to get some made in either stainless steel or alloy. The tool I need to set them properly is the problem as I'd like them to look original without damaging the wheel

Steve

gjs · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2006, 05:52 PM »

there is few posts on vintage about them,showing a small machine,press etc

Steve P · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2006, 05:53 PM »

Is there . . . I'll have a look and see what I can find. Thanks for that

Steve

harris · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2006, 05:55 PM »

if you can get all measurements so i can explain to me mate he might be worth an ask

Steve P · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2006, 09:10 PM »

Cheers Dan . . . I'll take some measurements later and post them up

I think the easiest way would be to have a rivet in hand to show the engineer

I reckon large amounts of pressure are required to set these rivets properly so the tool will have to be strong enough to cope with that. It will also need the correct cup to leave a nice button shape once the rivet is set

Steve

CD17 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2006, 09:30 PM »

Steve I already have an engineer friend trying to get hold of some for me, or if he can not find them, he said he could turn some. He also has all the tools to rivit them.

When he sorts them out I will let you & anyone else who needs some know

Steve P · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2006, 09:35 PM »

Cheers Chris . . . that'll be spot on mate

Gotta get those graphite flanges fitted and while I'm at it I want to lose the bolts on a coaster Tuff and use rivets instead

I'll post any more info from my engineer as soon I as get an answer too

Steve

CD17 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2006, 09:38 PM »

Quote from: Steve P on November 19, 2006, 09:35 PM

Cheers Chris . . . that'll be spot on mate

Gotta get those graphite flanges fitted and while I'm at it I want to lose the bolts on a coaster Tuff and use rivets instead

I'll post any more info from my engineer as soon I as get an answer too

Steve

Nice one

currio · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2006, 11:26 AM »

The problem you guys will have here, is that you need an orbital riveting machine to fit them.
Its not like a normal rivet where the heads are bashed over, the press tool is rotating, on an angle about the rivet.
The machine allows for different speeds and pressures, depending upon the application.
Skyway used a Taumel Orbital rivetting machine.
Shaun

CD17 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2006, 03:09 PM »

Quote from: currio on November 20, 2006, 11:26 AM

The problem you guys will have here, is that you need an orbital riveting machine to fit them.
Its not like a normal rivet where the heads are bashed over, the press tool is rotating, on an angle about the rivet.
The machine allows for different speeds and pressures, depending upon the application.
Skyway used a Taumel Orbital rivetting machine.
Shaun

So could they not be done by hand

gjs · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2006, 05:16 PM »

this explains it all if it works

http://www.orbitform.com/eng/pix/Orbital%20Forming.pdf

Steve P · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2006, 05:35 PM »

Quote from: currio on November 20, 2006, 11:26 AM

The problem you guys will have here, is that you need an orbital riveting machine to fit them.
Its not like a normal rivet where the heads are bashed over, the press tool is rotating, on an angle about the rivet.
The machine allows for different speeds and pressures, depending upon the application.
Skyway used a Taumel Orbital rivetting machine.
Shaun

That's the exact answer I'm looking for . . . thanks Shaun

Making new rivets is no problem but the machine required to set them properly is another ball game and very expensive by the looks of that PDF download

Cheers guys

Steve

CD17 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2006, 06:15 PM »

Quote from: Steve P on November 20, 2006, 05:35 PM

Quote from: currio on November 20, 2006, 11:26 AM
The problem you guys will have here, is that you need an orbital riveting machine to fit them.
Its not like a normal rivet where the heads are bashed over, the press tool is rotating, on an angle about the rivet.
The machine allows for different speeds and pressures, depending upon the application.
Skyway used a Taumel Orbital rivetting machine.
Shaun

That's the exact answer I'm looking for . . . thanks Shaun

Making new rivets is no problem but the machine required to set them properly is another ball game and very expensive by the looks of that PDF download

Cheers guys

Steve

Yeah but there must be a machine shop or college that has one that we could use...

Steve P · « **Reply #17 on:** November 20, 2006, 06:24 PM »

Good point Chris and at last we have the name of the tool we need to use

Getting hold of my engineer these days is almost impossible but I'll keep trying

Steve

currio · « **Reply #18 on:** November 20, 2006, 06:26 PM »

Here is a pic of the head of the machine, to give you an idea.
If you know someone who works in a machine shop, you could get them to make the bush, with an angled hole, and to make you a rivet.
It may be possible to then use it in a pillar drill, there is loads of them around.

CD17 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 20, 2006, 07:31 PM »

Iv got a pillar drill at work

selfpreservation · « **Reply #20 on:** November 20, 2006, 07:36 PM »

Quote from: wish id kept my TA on November 20, 2006, 07:31 PM

Iv got a pillar drill at work

form an orderly queue

CD17 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 20, 2006, 07:45 PM »

Quote from: selfpreservation on November 20, 2006, 07:36 PM

Quote from: wish id kept my TA on November 20, 2006, 07:31 PM
Iv got a pillar drill at work

form an orderly queue

If we sort this out, bring your Tuff's round mine & I will sort them out

lazychubs · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2006, 07:46 PM »

Quote from: wish id kept my TA on November 20, 2006, 07:31 PM

Iv got a pillar drill at work

i got one in me garage lol

JAY · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2006, 07:57 PM »

As you know Chris i have replaced a hub using the old rivots , what i done was drill and tap the cut off end of the old rivot ,and used a bolt to fasten the hub in , the bolt was dressed to look like a rivot head , i wrecked a few rivots trying to get the holes drilled into the rivots as the wall ends up thin but it works , although i wouldn't go mad on it , its only for show .I have tried replacing a hub with steel rivots i had made , but it resulted in me cracking the wheel (just a old wrecker anyway) so be careful trying to press steel rivots in ! The other idea i had but never tried was to get some alloy rivots made which would be much easier to compress , but i wouldn't recommend thrashing them .

jay

selfpreservation · « **Reply #24 on:** November 20, 2006, 08:01 PM »

i reckon if it was just for show you could get a flat head steel nail and round the pointy end off with a ball pein hammer i wouldnt trust it to ride on though

Author Topic: SKYWAY FLANGE RIVETS (Read 8737 times)

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