Author Topic: 'Kuwahara ET' on eBay (Read 4825 times)

monkian · « **on:** October 24, 2016, 05:18 PM »

I just spotted this with a T3 x5 Number Serial stamp. The only OG evidence I've seen on this type of serial has been on those well known batch of painted Hot Hearts (see database link).

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172384652025

Kuwahara ET / Tange Hot Heart Serial Number Database:

http://radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=186151

Taipan · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2016, 05:30 PM »

So it's a fake then? Its been drilled out And the guys telling porkies? Nice spec tho but would be worth good money left as a hot heart?

Jono · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2016, 06:01 PM »

They definitely made some T3's but not sure on other numbers to verify tnh

Jono · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2016, 06:08 PM »

http://www.kuwahara-bmx.com/kuwahara-et/

monkian · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2016, 12:11 PM »

Is it just me or could those little indents above the number be from the last N on a 'TANGE JAPAN' stamp?

oldscool · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2016, 08:22 PM »

They did make the same frame T3 serial without any other markings like Tange in the same colour as the ET. I used to own one the only difference was it had a cable hole in one gusset and obviously no white paint on it.

Jono · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2016, 10:01 PM »

Quote from: monkian on October 25, 2016, 12:11 PM

Is it just me or could those little indents above the number be from the last N on a 'TANGE JAPAN' stamp?

Looks like an N to me

Jono · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2016, 10:04 PM »

So did non of the ET's have tange Japan?

monkian · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2016, 10:13 PM »

I've never seen one.

BMX1973 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2016, 08:03 PM »

From memory I think all the Raleigh and Hot Heart Frames that were made by Tange had Tange Japan on them. I don't think any Kuwahara's had Tange Japan on them $:-\$

Jono · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2016, 08:14 PM »

Quote from: BMX1973 on October 26, 2016, 08:03 PM

From memory I think all the Raleigh and Hot Heart Frames that were made by Tange had Tange Japan on them. I don't think any Kuwahara's had Tange Japan on them $:-\$

Well that makes it easy to tell I assumed other that the drilled gusset you couldn't tell , nice to know

monkian · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2016, 08:49 PM »

Only the Hot Heart frames from 83 seem to be stamped 'Tange Japan'. The HH frames from 82 in the database don't have it.

BMX1973 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2016, 08:56 PM »

Some Kuwahara's had "Product Of Japan" stamped then serial number.

pennyup · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2016, 09:55 PM »

Some of the et bikes did spill into early 1983

They have they don't say tange Japan the hot harts do
Mine are t2,serial numbers on the et frames ,and they where all steel frames with tange chromoly forks

kalex · « **Reply #14 on:** October 28, 2016, 11:55 PM »

Just to add to the drama there's something about his other listing that doesn't add up to me.

monkian · « **Reply #15 on:** October 29, 2016, 12:32 AM »

I haven't looked at it. What have you found mate?

oldscool · « **Reply #16 on:** October 29, 2016, 03:25 PM »

So was the ET an inferior quality frame to the KZ 2.5 ? which I presume is full chromoly.

monkian · « **Reply #17 on:** October 29, 2016, 03:40 PM »

ET frames were Hi-Ten (Tig & Mig welded)...

kalex · « **Reply #18 on:** October 29, 2016, 03:52 PM »

Quote from: monkian on October 29, 2016, 12:32 AM

I haven't looked at it. What have you found mate?

I'd forgotten I posted that as I did it when i just got in from the pub.

His other item looks OK now I'm sober, just got a few parts that I wouldn't put on it but nothing out of the ordinary.

oldscool · « **Reply #19 on:** October 30, 2016, 02:51 PM »

So people get a full chromo frame and disguise it as steel and its worth more money.

kuwahara · « **Reply #20 on:** November 10, 2016, 05:54 PM »

Has anyone got or know some selling a frame and forks for and et build i'v got most of the parts just need at t2 frame and forks set at a reasonable price and condition chrome or painted There are a few pictured on here