A basic-trick advice

[Andyboy77]

My progress on Endos, Wheelies, Tailwhips (dont's land it yet) and Track Stands is pretty encouraging, I'm struggling a lot with other basic stuff like positioning the bike while standing still (more or less). I couldn't find this one as a particular named trick (it's not really a Rockwalk). Now I guess I need some help, advices or hints on the technique (weight balance, body movement, arms and legs tension and so on...) of this move in the video(s) below.
I've tried pretty hard, but my bike doesn't move at all. In some old videos of several trick shows, I've seen some riders walk sideways that way.

Thanks for your time and sharing your experience with me! 

Andy

PS: I've just uploaded these to photobucket, so I hope the videos are working.

[In2bmx]

Keep going Andy . I'm sure you will nail it eventually 

[Andyboy77]

Keep going Andy . I'm sure you will nail it eventually 

Thanks for your encouraging words Carl!  ....but that ís not me in this video. It's a short sequence of a tutorial I've recorded.
Unfortunately he doesn't explain that move.

[pickle]

You coming to MK?  if so we can all learn stuff together 

[Andyboy77]

You coming to MK?  if so we can all learn stuff together 

That would be my dream scenario to be honest. Having some nice lads to ride with and to learn from, as the scene here around is lame as fook. In other words inexistent. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to travel by plane (due to me ear issue), and due to me living in the very south of Germany it's very expensive to go by car (which I don't have either).
To ride up to MK is quite long distance aswell. 
So I will not make it this year. It's really sad for me, as so many radsters invited me to come. 

[pickle]

Ahhhh that's a real shame, would've been cool to see you there 

[Andyboy77]

Ahhhh that's a real shame, would've been cool to see you there 

Absolutely Rob! That is why I always appreciate if some member puts some pics of all the events up on here.
Maybe next year.  ...depending on my further progress (healthwise).

[TwoBobRob]

That's just a variation of a rockwalk. Pretty much the same technique. Very trials inspired.

You will already know which way your prefer to turn/air etc.  So, moderate speed, turn in just a bit (in your favourite direction) and hit your front brake. At the same time kick your legs and round you will go.

Don't be surprised if many of your attempts end with a foot on the ground. The more you practice the more subtle the movements will become and the more control you'll have.

You will also realise that the second part of that trick where you rotate the front of the bike can actually save you putting a foot down during the first.

Try to keep your bars straight, don't be tempted to allow the frame to rotate around the bars, this will only mess you up for the second part.

The second part is pretty much no more than ragging the bike around with brute force. If you lean ever so slightly into the move you'll find that the repositioning of the bike corrects your balance and you'll bull the trick by default.


Finally, you'll be able to steal the second part occasionally if you don't pull your rear brake and instead put pressure on your front pedal. you'll basically wheelie out of trouble.

I hope that made some sense

Have fun. Don't forget to smile.

[Andyboy77]

That's just a variation of a rockwalk. Pretty much the same technique. Very trials inspired.

You will already know which way your prefer to turn/air etc.  So, moderate speed, turn in just a bit (in your favourite direction) and hit your front brake. At the same time kick your legs and round you will go.

Don't be surprised if many of your attempts end with a foot on the ground. The more you practice the more subtle the movements will become and the more control you'll have.

You will also realise that the second part of that trick where you rotate the front of the bike can actually save you putting a foot down during the first.

Try to keep your bars straight, don't be tempted to allow the frame to rotate around the bars, this will only mess you up for the second part.

The second part is pretty much no more than ragging the bike around with brute force. If you lean ever so slightly into the move you'll find that the repositioning of the bike corrects your balance and you'll bull the trick by default.


Finally, you'll be able to steal the second part occasionally if you don't pull your rear brake and instead put pressure on your front pedal. you'll basically wheelie out of trouble.

I hope that made some sense

Have fun. Don't forget to smile.

Many thanks for taking time to reply in such a detailed manner!   

I've got the smiling and having fun part down pretty well already. 

The first part is getting better aswell. Everyday it fells more natural. The second part is actually my current problem. Keeping the bars straight is a very good hint. If I understood that correctly, it is more a rotation or turning on the front tire (while keeping the bars straight).
I also think, I tend to end up leaning way to much forward at the end of the first part. That is maybe why I struggle with the second part and my front stays on the ground. So I will try to apply the brute force-part 

If you don't mind, I'll let you know if I got it eventually.

Thanks again! 

[Andyboy77]

I have just figured out that the guy in these short clips above is Rick Allison.    Didn't know he rode for Mongoose, GT and later for Hutch as a member of their trick teams.

Here's another shot of him doing the Rockwalk variation:




I also found Denny Howel of the Ultra Rad Trickteam doing it sooooo smoothly. ...wasn't aware of him or Kenneth Evans either, as I only could remember the big names. 

[TwoBobRob]

Cool.

Yeah, you need a neutral body position - neither forward or back.

You are exactly right, it's a rotation on the front wheel. If you keep everything nice and straight and neutral and try just the first half on a slight downhill it'll create a nice rollback. I do that at Rom at the top of a slope and roll back. Fun.

[Andyboy77]

Cool.

Yeah, you need a neutral body position - neither forward or back.

You are exactly right, it's a rotation on the front wheel. If you keep everything nice and straight and neutral and try just the first half on a slight downhill it'll create a nice rollback. I do that at Rom at the top of a slope and roll back. Fun.

Brilliant!    My goal is to do this trick without rolling forward, otherwise it would be the classic Rockwalk. I've been watching and reading about the good old Rockwalk quite a bit. It's obviosly pretty bad for the rear wheel, as many riders reported killing theirs and I can't afford to damage my 7x-rims. On the other hand, I prefer the version that is shown in the clips. It looks so much cooler in my opinion.
Everthing I've been watching and reading about this, wasn't as precise and helpful as your advices btw! 

Thanks again! I very much appreciate your help 

[TwoBobRob]

You're most welcome.

Yeah, any sideways forces are bad for wheels and unfortunately it's the learning that does the damage.

[paulb113]

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Looks a bit like what I do?  If your using brakes make sure they work well get decent new school  pads, Eclat force etc.  Try and ride at a slight angle pull front brake, push forwards on the bars have your right foot forwards and cranks horizontal then the kick needs to come from you ankles and knees at the same time time as shifting your weight round.  Good luck.

[insectbones]

Nice and smooth Paul 

[Andyboy77]

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Looks a bit like what I do?  If your using brakes make sure they work well get decent new school  pads, Eclat force etc.  Try and ride at a slight angle pull front brake, push forwards on the bars have your right foot forwards and cranks horizontal then the kick needs to come from you ankles and knees at the same time time as shifting your weight round.  Good luck.

Yeah mate! I'm loving the combo with that Tailwhip!  I'm left food forward, so I'm rotating the other way around.
Many thanks for the hint "...then the kick needs to come from you ankles and knees at the same time time as shifting your weight round" 
I will give it a try! ...without the Tailwhip    - what I'm working on aswell.

Many thanks again! 

[paulb113]

Keep trying!

If your on Facebook I have a group for older riders, Rick Allison is a member you could ask him for tips!


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[Andyboy77]

I will do so! It's way too much fun to give up. Like everything else in life, we become good at what we practice.