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Good points one and allAnd Dan is talking sense , we all want to have a great weekend without having to fook about too much the event is so nice because it is a collective effort without rules and hassles for everyone who comes , the srprise of people when they put a donation in the tins and get beer all night is pretty special We are talking about the funding how we proved and what we can do and comments are great whatever we do wants to continue the vibe of a collective event and The real pleasure of offering a great weekend for you Band are a great idea but don't want to create an us and them event when the pleasure of giving a beer to visitor is priceless and imho is what makes MK a bit specialWe will work it out and have a gretMK I am sure
Quote from: adenough on February 19, 2016, 06:32 PMQuote from: griff on February 19, 2016, 06:05 PMQuote from: adenough on February 19, 2016, 05:26 PMCan't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated? Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anywayFair enough. How about the SST 'owner' creates his own password, then forwards it to admin. A simple printed off list would be all that was needed, when asked for user ID at MK to collect the wrist band , the password would be asked for to match it to what's on the list. Simples.I noticed the word 'simple' came up here twice Sounds simple in theory, but in practice I can see a few stumbling blocks ( purely based on every single group request I've had anything to do with to date)First, decide when to make the cut off date (as different people's tags run out at different times) simple, but someone is bound to be miffed if theirs has recently expiredSecond, expect 400 people to bother sending a password to the right person (bagsy not me) by whatever deadline you specify using the right method eg pm rather than FB message & not moan when they send it afterwards when the list has already been printedThird, get a load of grief when someone accosts you at MK saying it's far too complicatedOr...Get a load of wristbands made up, put them in a bucket & sell them to anyone who wants one on the day, Put the money in the pot towards MK17Or...Do fook all, wait for backlash when someone suspects they've seen a freeloader swipe a can of fosters
Quote from: griff on February 19, 2016, 06:05 PMQuote from: adenough on February 19, 2016, 05:26 PMCan't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated? Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anywayFair enough. How about the SST 'owner' creates his own password, then forwards it to admin. A simple printed off list would be all that was needed, when asked for user ID at MK to collect the wrist band , the password would be asked for to match it to what's on the list. Simples.
Quote from: adenough on February 19, 2016, 05:26 PMCan't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?It's not impossible, but we'd have to ask every tag holder to send us their names and addresses etc and deal with the admin. Suppose it depends how much of a pain in the arse that is vs the potential uproar if someone somehow feels cheated? Personally speaking I'm happy to pay for a tag, I also usually bung something in the jar in the D&D and bring some booze/snacks along for good measure - so paying for a wrist band instead of a jar donation is no skin off my nose.tbh I don't really fancy posting out ~ 400 wristbands to individual addresses anyway
Can't the present SST holders receive there wrist bands through the post in advance ( obviously pay for the stamp etc)This way, you'd only then have to deal with pay on the doors?
Quote from: Retrodan72 on February 12, 2016, 06:21 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 06:18 PMQuote from: Retrodan72 on February 12, 2016, 06:15 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 05:59 PMQuote from: griff on February 12, 2016, 05:23 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 04:50 PMThe forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.Just food for thought long live the forum and MK You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paulif you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??Northern Ireland Dan Thought so, so quite unlikely you're going to make the trip to MK, so maybe it's resentment that your £10 would go to help pay for an event you're probably not going to attend?? That's what it looks like?I've paid my SST since being on here and I've never been to MK due to the fact my wife always books our holiday the same time MK is on. So I disagree with members not paying because they never intend to go.
Quote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 06:18 PMQuote from: Retrodan72 on February 12, 2016, 06:15 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 05:59 PMQuote from: griff on February 12, 2016, 05:23 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 04:50 PMThe forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.Just food for thought long live the forum and MK You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paulif you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??Northern Ireland Dan Thought so, so quite unlikely you're going to make the trip to MK, so maybe it's resentment that your £10 would go to help pay for an event you're probably not going to attend?? That's what it looks like?
Quote from: Retrodan72 on February 12, 2016, 06:15 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 05:59 PMQuote from: griff on February 12, 2016, 05:23 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 04:50 PMThe forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.Just food for thought long live the forum and MK You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paulif you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??Northern Ireland Dan
Quote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 05:59 PMQuote from: griff on February 12, 2016, 05:23 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 04:50 PMThe forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.Just food for thought long live the forum and MK You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paulif you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.You're in Ireland aren't you Paul??
Quote from: griff on February 12, 2016, 05:23 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 04:50 PMThe forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.Just food for thought long live the forum and MK You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paulif you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer Well you asked for suggestions and I give a couple.You've raised the point I don't have an SST again, if I pay for an SST and give the same opinion will you be any less annoyed, I doubt it. I might've chosen not to have one this year but I dare say I've still paid a fair few more than you and a few of the other people who are so keen to criticise my point of view.We'll have to agree to differ about how forums look that use advertising but I do take your point about the negative impact a forum going down can have.For me the forum is more important than MK, ultimately I'd like to see a way that both the forum and the MK event can survive and prosper.If I do make MK you can be sure I'll have paid my SST.
Quote from: rodriguez on February 12, 2016, 04:50 PMThe forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.Just food for thought long live the forum and MK You've put this suggestion forward several times now Paulif you want the forum to live long, then shifting the platform across to a board that has adverts on will (apart from looking crap in MY opinion) mean that we risk losing loads of members. By far the biggest kick in the bollocks the forum ever got was the crash which caused everyone to have to re-register again. If we combine the increased admin with a 'new' site full of ads then that potentially makes the place less attractive for many people, well myself anyway.I understand that you haven't been to MK (fine) also note that you don't have a SST (fine too, you're still very welcome to post here). No-one's asking for your money, but I don't understand why you're so passionate about trying to separate the forum from its biggest annual event. My only guess is because you haven't been to MK, then you would see how MK represents everything that's great about this community - not just on the internets but in real life. I strongly recommend that now the dates have been posted that you do whatever you can to attend, like I said before I can guarantee you a very warm welcome and a weekend seeing the best bikes this community has to offer
The forum could become free using advertising, they've become so advanced the ads hardly interfere with the enjoyment of the forums, most forums have gone down this route now because of pressure from other platforms that are free to use and you don't have to muck about with subs and the associated administration.Just food for thought long live the forum and MK
that still doesn't get past the challenge of how to match real people to usernames though (@ Jono)if we had to police that before handing out wristbands then we'd create a bottleneck trying to get online or something to verify people. Bit more info - people make a big fuss about the drinks & pig roast but the costs of these are just one part of putting on the whole shebang. Ramps, Bogs, Skips, Marquees etc are much less visible but still very costly and need to be available on Saturday AND Sunday (unlike the D&D/Food which just benefits people on Saturday night)Looking at the whole picture, this is why I would recommend having anyone (tag holder or not) pay for a wristband on the day so they can physically show that they have made a contribution on the day to the rad pot. It's no different from putting something in the collection jar but would at least put a stop to any potential scrotes lying about having made a donation. No doubt there would be a few disgruntled tag owners complaining about 'paying twice' but there has to be a cut off point somewhere if you're thinking of making changes to the funding model & we have to cover far more than just beers and food on one day. We could do nothing at all, leave it as is and have people moan about 'freeloaders' instead. Whatever happens, however much money ends up in the pot - it all comes back to the community anyway. Just to restate - these are just my personal opinions, not speaking on behalf of the site owners/mods but trying to be as open/transparent as possible & contribute to the debate.
Back to the question in hand, I think I stand corrected , I didn't think allowing sales on the FB page would generate more on the forum, I was wrong! ...... I'm on here more now as the FB page is now full of sales and is now shit!!! Wonder how many sellers have come on here in last fortnight and joined
Quote from: Jono on February 22, 2016, 09:07 AMBack to the question in hand, I think I stand corrected , I didn't think allowing sales on the FB page would generate more on the forum, I was wrong! ...... I'm on here more now as the FB page is now full of sales and is now shit!!! Wonder how many sellers have come on here in last fortnight and joinedwell since you're on here more now hopefully you can find something a bit more positive to say
well when I look at the FB page I see a decent selection of stuff put up (mostly) by radstersthings so far appear to have been selling quick with no big dramaas for it being shit and full of sales? there's a box at the top of the page with a gallery of sale items, followed by a load of pics from the London rideout yesterday and pics of members' builds...
the thread was started to collect people's views and have a discussion - I'm not trying to single you out but simply saying something is 'shit' isn't exactly constructive is it? we should be able to have a difference of opinion without getting personal about it.
read the thread again & you'll see I've responded to most people posting in here
Quote from: griff on February 22, 2016, 10:40 AMread the thread again & you'll see I've responded to most people posting in hereLike Pooch's London ride that you didn't even go on , yet felt the need to comment on my "gutted too Spen notice" reply why go out of your way if it's not a dig
