Frame id help

[pvtspoon]

Hi Guys new here first post

ive had this bmx since i was about 8yrs old im now 35 i was given it by my dads late brother he got the frame from a scrap/junk yard or something no one can really remember & done it up its got no S/N anywhere & ive always woundered what the frame was & if its worth restoring again ? its been sat in the garden for years so in bit of a state




Meany thanks for any help

[pickle]

  to RAD, i have absolutely no idea what that is, sorry.  At first i thought it looked like a Raleigh shopper that's been cut and welded to something else    never seen anything like it

[Tel-boy75]

The way the seat tube curves into the downtube is something I haven't seen before. Interesting. Is that a European bottom bracket?

[pickle]

I'd say it looks like it should/would've come with a banana seat type set up as well by the look of those rear dropouts

[Danny61379]

Never seen a frame like that before, I think it looks pretty cool though maybe wort doing a cheap tart up on it possibly and keeping it as it was your late uncles ?  btw.

[deeman]

Welcome to  mate.
That is a very unusual looking frame and unlike anything I have ever seen before either. Looks like it was definitely a freestyler.... It doesn't look like it is fantastic quality but I think you should restore it just because of it's rarity! It is kinda weird but kinda cool, Could make a very interesting build. Is that a union jack on the headtube? could be a clue....
Damo 

[pvtspoon]

thanks for all the help guys the forks, hangles & seat where bits he added, he had the frame striped and resprayed white so the union jack are aftermarket, i'll get some more pic over the week & try find a S/N 

[deeman]

maybe it's a homebrew special? was your uncle handy with a welder? would make sense why no one recognises it! 

[pvtspoon]

maybe it's a homebrew special? was your uncle handy with a welder? would make sense why no one recognises it! 

the family remembers he ether swapped it for something or got it from the tip but remember it was just the frame & he had it striped & resprayed, I'll prob land resorting it even if it worth nout anyway 

[fischflo]

 ....just get wild  tall bars and a banana, could become a cool commuter

[deeman]

maybe it's a homebrew special? was your uncle handy with a welder? would make sense why no one recognises it! 

the family remembers he ether swapped it for something or got it from the tip but remember it was just the frame & he had it striped & resprayed, I'll prob land resorting it even if it worth nout anyway 

Restore it anyway dude, it is worth it for the memories if nothing else. It could be a really nice build with a repowder and some nicer parts without having to cost a fortune. Get a site supporters tag and take advantage of the for sale section in here. I can see it with some tuffs, some nicer bars, a nicer seat.....be sure to post the results if you do I would love to see it   

[pvtspoon]

found a photo of when i was given it all fresh in 1988ish



so ive spent this evening looking for a S/n or any thing to help id it & found nothing but found a sticker under the white paint on the downtube (sorry if i got the name wrong) hoping these might help id it i use sime light thinner to get the white paint off


And this sticker on the tube from the seat

[deeman]

No, still no clue! What does that sticker say? motocross? what does it say under the thinners also...hard to see from pic. It looks like it may have been a seventies frame which may have had a motocross theme.....may have had mudguards etc, which has been built with later bmx parts
Either way I like it...deserves a restoration of some sort...try and get it back to how it was....or completely remodel it!

 

[peteox]

Could be a starting point?

http://www.mtb-museum.de/bonanza/index.htm

[deeman]

Could be a starting point?

http://www.mtb-museum.de/bonanza/index.htm

Well done dude, that was exactly the sort of thing I had in mind 

[oldschoolace]

It's deffo European,  probably French as bi-cross is a French abbreviation of bicycle motocross. There are quite a few companies it could be but it's deffo chopper to bmx crossover period bike. Try looking at mbk/motobecane, Peugeot and kalkoff on the off chance it's not French

[Seripper]

I had similar frame like this when I was as kid which is part of "Bonanza Rad". It was very popular in Germany back in the 70's.
http://www.bonanzarad.net

[pvtspoon]

It's deffo European,  probably French as bi-cross is a French abbreviation of bicycle motocross. There are quite a few companies it could be but it's deffo chopper to bmx crossover period bike. Try looking at mbk/motobecane, Peugeot and kalkoff on the off chance it's not French

had another go at the frame this morning the down pipe sticker says " RANCHO "



then pipe with the seat say's " BR-CROSS "