Nah im just trying to visualise how im gonna get the wheels over the coping trying to theorise, is it a small pull back to get over it going up through the ramp not droping back in, thanks for responding im a begging on a vert ramp and wnat to achieve air thats my goal. didnt realise how hard it it is im sure the ramps in my local park and to slim for new bmx'rs, i mean first time i hit a ramp in a park was 2 days ago thats how new i am, did alot of pissing about in street as a kid on bmx, though