Johnny chopper

[BMX1973]

It is a lovely frame.  The skill thats gone into making it.  Nice to hear its coming to the uk and looking forward to seeing the build. 

[kungfunky]

Not really sure what to say other than it's not for me but good luck with the build.

The main issue with the bloke in OZ was that he dished out a bs story about the frame and it's originality which helped him win 1st place at a show. He was then stripped of the trophy when the judges found out JC made it.


I'm with Sean and if you intend to replicate one of Stu's STR's it will be a very difficult build.

No doubt about JC's welding skills he's very much a craftsman.

[rodriguez]

I'm not a repop man personally, not that I have a problem with those that use em so it's not been an easy decision for me but I'm looking forward to building n riding this one cheers

I think it's a cracking frame and building it would make a great project

I don't understand your reluctance to use replica parts as like it's a replica to start with 

I'm with DTTDB on the repops, I'd build it with as many repop parts as I could to suit a 79 bike, for example, Cinelli Unicantor seat and Cheng Shin 183s, I'd only use NOS were I had to.

I agree with Stidds about the difficulty in doing a replica of Stu's bike without the patina.

If you want to be really flamed you should post it on BMXsociety.

http://www.bmxsociety.com/topic/57421-the-str-1-info-thread/page-2

[snoopy72]

Even though it's a copy , in 30 years time it will be a rare beast

[Jono]

I'm not a repop man personally, not that I have a problem with those that use em so it's not been an easy decision for me but I'm looking forward to building n riding this one cheers

I think it's a cracking frame and building it would make a great project

I don't understand your reluctance to use replica parts as like it's a replica to start with 

I'm with DTTDB on the repops, I'd build it with as many repop parts as I could to suit a 79 bike, for example, Cinelli Unicantor seat and Cheng Shin 183s, I'd only use NOS were I had to.

I agree with Stidds about the difficulty in doing a replica of Stu's bike without the patina.

If you want to be really flamed you should post it on BMXsociety.

http://www.bmxsociety.com/topic/57421-the-str-1-info-thread/page-2

no issue with replica/repop parts just don't use em which may sound hypocritical buying this but as there is no other option went for it ,  I like to swap n change my builds around so would rather stick with old school parts for that reason I'm sure people put anniversary parts on there old school bikes just like people put old school parts on their anniversary frame sets so trying to make my fake look as authentic as I can that is all, I'm no elitist nor purist as all those who constantly give me shit (Denzil) refinishing my survivors lol, will testify

[snoopy72]

Good luck with the build Jono 

[bmxband1t77]

I think you'll do alright.

You've had plenty of input and interest in what should be done so it's up to you. It's your bike after all?

I'm not a purist but I also love the superb era correct bikes made and shared here purely from a nostalgia point of view.
Just look at Octobers BOTM? Incredible lineup there.

Myself I put on new stuff because I don't have anything seriously retro yet.

I also consider, as I ride all mine fairly hard I won't be trusting 30 year old pedals on 30 year old cranks held up by 30 year old stem on 30 year old bars. From metal fatigue point of view something's gotta give.
Admittedly the oldest part on one of mine is an 84 tuff neck Chainwheel. Not much to go wrong there so balance it out and it'll be fine.

So good luck and bung it up for us to follow. I'm sure you'll be getting a lot of hits and help.


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[Bornintheusa]

I'm not a repop man personally, not that I have a problem with those that use em so it's not been an easy decision for me but I'm looking forward to building n riding this one cheers

I think it's a cracking frame and building it would make a great project

I don't understand your reluctance to use replica parts as like it's a replica to start with 

I'm with DTTDB on the repops, I'd build it with as many repop parts as I could to suit a 79 bike, for example, Cinelli Unicantor seat and Cheng Shin 183s, I'd only use NOS were I had to.

I agree with Stidds about the difficulty in doing a replica of Stu's bike without the patina.

If you want to be really flamed you should post it on BMXsociety.

http://www.bmxsociety.com/topic/57421-the-str-1-info-thread/page-2

Thanks for making it easy for me by not having  tour type a long reply   

[58 delray]

cant see a problem with using 70s/80s parts on it, it wasnt an issue when the Haro or GHP frames came out, no one batted an eyelid then.....

[stidds]

cant see a problem with using 70s/80s parts on it, it wasnt an issue when the Haro or GHP frames came out, no one batted an eyelid then.....

Yes they did Andy, there was discussions all over the place.  Maybe not so much on here but Museum, Vintage, Society were awash with threads.

Plus to be honest there is a difference between a run of the mill Haro or GHP and one of the rarest frames in this hobby.

Jono can and should do whatever he wants with his frame, however because of what it is you will always get people that hate that frame.

[That Swan Guy]

whatever he puts on it will probably fall off anyway lol

Joking apart Ali, build what you want, it's your bike. F'kem if they bitch

[58 delray]

cant see a problem with using 70s/80s parts on it, it wasnt an issue when the Haro or GHP frames came out, no one batted an eyelid then.....

Yes they did Andy, there was discussions all over the place.  Maybe not so much on here but Museum, Vintage, Society were awash with threads.

Plus to be honest there is a difference between a run of the mill Haro or GHP and one of the rarest frames in this hobby.

Jono can and should do whatever he wants with his frame, however because of what it is you will always get people that hate that frame.

i agree with what you are saying about run of the mill v the rarity of the the STR-! but Jono is not trying to pass it off as OG so i dont see a problem with using old parts to keep with the spirit of the frame, but as others have said, its his do with as he pleases and what ever he does i'm sure it will look sweet 

[Retrodan72]

Ali, just don't put coloured tyres on, or tyres that will pop when you ride the focker. 





















Or a snake post. 

[stidds]

cant see a problem with using 70s/80s parts on it, it wasnt an issue when the Haro or GHP frames came out, no one batted an eyelid then.....

Yes they did Andy, there was discussions all over the place.  Maybe not so much on here but Museum, Vintage, Society were awash with threads.

Plus to be honest there is a difference between a run of the mill Haro or GHP and one of the rarest frames in this hobby.

Jono can and should do whatever he wants with his frame, however because of what it is you will always get people that hate that frame.

i agree with what you are saying about run of the mill v the rarity of the the STR-! but Jono is not trying to pass it off as OG so i dont see a problem with using old parts to keep with the spirit of the frame, but as others have said, its his do do with as he pleases and what ever he does i'm sure it will look sweet 

I never said he was trying to pass it off as OG, however somebody has done that with the other one made.  Ali is a top bloke and wouldn't do that, I bet however if this one gets sold on in the future, it will sold somewhere down the line as an OG frame (not by Ali).

And I have all the way said he should do what he wants, I was discussing how you would build such a frame because 1970s parts on a 2014 frame seems weird, no matter what that frame spirit is.

I also thought the same thing when I saw people putting old parts on the retro looptail quadangle frames, it looked strange knowing you had this ultra modern frame made with modern materials and with better understanding of metals and welding and then bang on shit parts from 35 years ago.

[58 delray]

cant see a problem with using 70s/80s parts on it, it wasnt an issue when the Haro or GHP frames came out, no one batted an eyelid then.....

Yes they did Andy, there was discussions all over the place.  Maybe not so much on here but Museum, Vintage, Society were awash with threads.

Plus to be honest there is a difference between a run of the mill Haro or GHP and one of the rarest frames in this hobby.

Jono can and should do whatever he wants with his frame, however because of what it is you will always get people that hate that frame.

i agree with what you are saying about run of the mill v the rarity of the the STR-! but Jono is not trying to pass it off as OG so i dont see a problem with using old parts to keep with the spirit of the frame, but as others have said, its his do do with as he pleases and what ever he does i'm sure it will look sweet 

I never said he was trying to pass it off as OG, however somebody has done that with the other one made.  Ali is a top bloke and wouldn't do that, I bet however if this one gets sold on in the future, it will sold somewhere down the line as an OG frame (not by Ali).

And I have all the way said he should do what he wants, I was discussing how you would build such a frame because 1970s parts on a 2014 frame seems weird, no matter what that frame spirit is.

I also thought the same thing when I saw people putting old parts on the retro looptail quadangle frames, it looked strange knowing you had this ultra modern frame made with modern materials and with better understanding of metals and welding and then bang on shit parts from 35 years ago.

sorry mate, maybe that came across wrong, i wasnt saying you said he was trying to pass it off as OG and i know you said he should build it as he wants 

[stidds]

cant see a problem with using 70s/80s parts on it, it wasnt an issue when the Haro or GHP frames came out, no one batted an eyelid then.....

Yes they did Andy, there was discussions all over the place.  Maybe not so much on here but Museum, Vintage, Society were awash with threads.

Plus to be honest there is a difference between a run of the mill Haro or GHP and one of the rarest frames in this hobby.

Jono can and should do whatever he wants with his frame, however because of what it is you will always get people that hate that frame.

i agree with what you are saying about run of the mill v the rarity of the the STR-! but Jono is not trying to pass it off as OG so i dont see a problem with using old parts to keep with the spirit of the frame, but as others have said, its his do do with as he pleases and what ever he does i'm sure it will look sweet 

I never said he was trying to pass it off as OG, however somebody has done that with the other one made.  Ali is a top bloke and wouldn't do that, I bet however if this one gets sold on in the future, it will sold somewhere down the line as an OG frame (not by Ali).

And I have all the way said he should do what he wants, I was discussing how you would build such a frame because 1970s parts on a 2014 frame seems weird, no matter what that frame spirit is.

I also thought the same thing when I saw people putting old parts on the retro looptail quadangle frames, it looked strange knowing you had this ultra modern frame made with modern materials and with better understanding of metals and welding and then bang on shit parts from 35 years ago.

sorry mate, maybe that came across wrong, i wasnt saying you said he was trying to pass it off as OG and i know you said he should build it as he wants 

 




I am however really looking forward to Ali's build of this frame, and if he is going the vintage route I really want to know how much he spends, cause it aint gonna be cheap 

[rodriguez]

The GHP thread on the BMXmuseum was about 50 pages long and Greg Hill contributed to the thread but he was continually flamed by minority of usual suspects to the point he washed his hands of the thread and the OS scene at that point, don't know whether he reconsidered his position later.

I thought this was pretty sad as out of all the companies who have put replicas, reproductions, repops, copies, fakes or whatever you want to call them out there, if anyone had the right to reproduce his own products and make a few quid out of them he did.

[Gnarlyscoots]

It's a tough one Ali........

What you going to do?

All 70's parts built as a rep or

a mix of old school parts?

C'mon big boy, spill the beans     

I know of a few members on here that have put reproduced parts on their old school bikes, including a couple in this thread, and myself. It is easy to make things looked aged, when they are in fact, brand new    I also know of a few that will swear blind that they are old items too 

I don't understand the gripe and I don't understand why people will go on forever about it. It will be photo'd and documented with the pictures being easy accessible on the web and, anyone who would be searching for this particular model would also know that it is not original.

Just don't try and make it something it isn't and the build will come together nicely. It's when you try too hard that it will look out of place 

[58 delray]

am i right in thinking that these JC frames are stamped so that they cant be passed off as OG anyway ?

[Bornintheusa]

cant see a problem with using 70s/80s parts on it, it wasnt an issue when the Haro or GHP frames came out, no one batted an eyelid then.....

Yes they did Andy, there was discussions all over the place.  Maybe not so much on here but Museum, Vintage, Society were awash with threads.

Plus to be honest there is a difference between a run of the mill Haro or GHP and one of the rarest frames in this hobby.

Jono can and should do whatever he wants with his frame, however because of what it is you will always get people that hate that frame.

i agree with what you are saying about run of the mill v the rarity of the the STR-! but Jono is not trying to pass it off as OG so i dont see a problem with using old parts to keep with the spirit of the frame, but as others have said, its his do do with as he pleases and what ever he does i'm sure it will look sweet 

I never said he was trying to pass it off as OG, however somebody has done that with the other one made.  Ali is a top bloke and wouldn't do that, I bet however if this one gets sold on in the future, it will sold somewhere down the line as an OG frame (not by Ali).

And I have all the way said he should do what he wants, I was discussing how you would build such a frame because 1970s parts on a 2014 frame seems weird, no matter what that frame spirit is.

I also thought the same thing when I saw people putting old parts on the retro looptail quadangle frames, it looked strange knowing you had this ultra modern frame made with modern materials and with better understanding of metals and welding and then bang on shit parts from 35 years ago.

Bingo. One day it will be sold as a prototype. It happens every time

[stidds]

am i right in thinking that these JC frames are stamped so that they cant be passed off as OG anyway ?

Stamping does nothing to be honest, bit of welding and grinding and that is gone.

[NORTY40]

Bingo. One day it will be sold as a prototype. It happens every time

Possibly    .... but knowing Jono it won't happen when/if he comes to sell it     He will build it how he want's and best of all it will be out on Rad rides next year for all us lot to see . Looking forward to seeing what you do with it mate . Love it or hate it  .... it's still one cool frameset to have in your collection imo

[Bornintheusa]

Yeah, but I highly doubt he will own it for the next 5years, much less 10 or 15. It's possible I guess

[NORTY40]

Yeah, but I highly doubt he will own it for the next 5years, much less 10 or 15. It's possible I guess

Totally understand were your coming from and yes it is a potential concern in the future , all i know is that Jono would never pass it on as something it isn't .

If the new owner does well shame on him  , it's cnuts like that that need kicking out of this hobby .

In an ideal world the frameset would never have been made but it isn't and i for one is glad someone like Jono has bought it over some dodgy fooker .

[stidds]

Yeah, but I highly doubt he will own it for the next 5years, much less 10 or 15. It's possible I guess

Totally understand were your coming from and yes it is a potential concern in the future , all i know is that Jono would never pass it on as something it isn't .

If the new owner does well shame on him  , it's cnuts like that that need kicking out of this hobby .

Ali is a good egg (don't tell him that cause I tell him that he is a cnut  ) and we have absolutely no problem with him anything remotely crap.

It really is the next couple of owners that may start problems, selling it on to unsuspecting victims.  However a massive chunk of blame needs to go to the man who built this frame, great frame and all that but did it (and its twin) really need to be made in the first place?