Spoke sizing

[Gish]

Guys I have a back wheel (sun rim & odyssey cassette hub race version) and wanting to change spokes 186mm (3 x pattern) and was wondering what size I would need to do the 4x pattern 

[CustardLips]

Paul, don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure it's 194mm for 4x. Probably favourite using stidds spoke calculator to be sure.   

[That Swan Guy]

Yup what Nick said 

[Dark Diggler]

Depends on the rim Paul, rhyno lites come in at 196 for 4x with an Oddy race hub, envy at 193
this will help, it has most hubs and rims loaded in, have a play
http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/spokelengthcalculator/

[Gish]

Depends on the rim Paul, rhyno lites come in at 196 for 4x with an Oddy race hub, envy at 193
this will help, it has most hubs and rims loaded in, have a play
http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/spokelengthcalculator/

cheers Si