S&M Neal Wood - which category @ MK ???

[Gish]

Trying to clear up as it's borderline

2003 S&M Neal Wood

It does have 1 1/8th headtube , euro B/B & option of V Brake or Caliper Brake

[Betty]

New school, early 00's weren't they?

[Gish]

New school, early 00's weren't they?

Think they were 2002 - 2004

[rodriguez]

It's your call, that's what the flexibility is for, probably get more appreciation in the Mid section 

Race bikes had Euro BB's, V brakes and 1 1/8th head tubes in the 90's did they not 

[nosepickben]

New for me.

[stidds]

100% Mid-school for me.

The midschool years were agreed as being 1989-2003 but with a bit of flexibility either side of those years so in essence anything from 1987-2005.

These days a Neal Wood sits very firmly in midschool as it is 2003.

[stidds]

Further to my post above is this....

Just how damn scary is it to think that a Neal Wood is now hovering around midschool era instead of a modern race frame?  It is what 13 years ago that it was introduced to the world and 11 years since production ended.

Damn we are getting old. 

[MartyC]

I always thought mid school ran from 1988 to 2000 and new from 2001 onwards 

[Ste]

I'd say its mid but I'm no expert ,it's a rad frame it's an s&m so its all good

[Dannywhac]

Definitely mid - frame designed in 2001 and ran for a few years with the same geometry/build, similar to race frames you could get back in '97. No integrated HS etc.

Euro BB - it's a race frame, if it was on a street/park bike then it would start to smack of New School (although there's frames in that category from the same year such as the T1's).

[stidds]

Definitely mid - frame designed in 2001 and ran for a few years with the same geometry/build, similar to race frames you could get back in '97. No integrated HS etc.

Euro BB - it's a race frame, if it was on a street/park bike then it would start to smack of New School (although there's frames in that category from the same year such as the T1's).

And that is from the lips of the midschool moderator so I would say it is gospel and it is what we stand by.   

[midschooljon]

Ok hang on a minute.... We now considering bikes with integrated head tubes, euro BB's, and Canti / V brake mounts Mid school?    How about a Speed Wagon? It has the exact same tech as a Wood, and is even made from the same material. Is that mid as well then?

[Dannywhac]

No - it's a race frame. Different kettle of fish as said above.

They hardly frikkin changed from about 97 till 2005. If that was a street/park bike then we'd be looking borderline. Take some of the street/park frames coming out in late 2003 and you start to see the onset on new tech - shorter rear T's, micro gearing etc etc.

Oh. More importantly that frame is from 2003 - which is the end date on what we all voted on for the end of mid school. So it's mid.

[midschooljon]

No - it's a race frame. Different kettle of fish as said above.

You do know the Neal Wood was a race frame right?

So I ask again, What is the difference between a Neal Wood with integrated Head tube, euro BB, and V brakes, and a Speedwagon with Integrated head tube, euro BB, and V brakes?

[midschooljon]

I always thought mid school ran from 1988 to 2000 and new from 2001 onwards 

The whole world does except for Rad. 

[CustardLips]

Here we go again.   

[MartyC]

So when did that vote happen?  These "era" dates are just fcuked, how can a bike from 2003 be mid school?  I have bikes that are clearly "new school" but going by this they are "mid school".  It's bollax.

[MartyC]

Just had a  re-read of this thread and going by the one year either side rule my new school Felt is actually mid school even though it is very clearly new school and so is my GT24.

[Gish]

Bloody hell guys I don't want world war 3 on this

All I want to do is show a bike at MK next year and which category would it fit in

Mid School (going by the dates on forum) or
New School retro

[Dannywhac]

Yep - had a little bet someone would turn it into the mid debate again. We voted, the majority went for the dates we've got. This thread isn't for a debate on dates, it's if Gish's frame is Mid - which it is being from 2003. I just find it a bit disappointing that the minority of people who didn't agree with the dates to start with use threads like this to turn it into the same old date debates. Instead of doing that, post more in the Mid section and make it a bit more lively.

@Marty - have a read here: http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,171969.0.html

40 to 23 in favour of the dates we've got, as through the thread it was decided that the majority wanted either the dates we have or decades and fook off the 'school' idea in it's entirety.

The no in me last post was referring to the fact that the Neal Wood's a race frame, I was trying to point out it's easier to define a street/park bike than a race due to the fairly easy-ish to spot adoption of new school tech.

[rodriguez]

No - it's a race frame. Different kettle of fish as said above.

You do know the Neal Wood was a race frame right?

So I ask again, What is the difference between a Neal Wood with integrated Head tube, euro BB, and V brakes, and a Speedwagon with Integrated head tube, euro BB, and V brakes?

About 13-4 years.

I always thought mid school ran from 1988 to 2000 and new from 2001 onwards 

The whole world does except for Rad. 

No it doesn't

BMXsociety defines it as "Pretty much anything from 1988 to early 2000's can go here."

Bloody hell guys I don't want world war 3 on this

All I want to do is show a bike at MK next year and which category would it fit in

Mid School (going by the dates on forum) or
New School retro

Mid School (going by the dates on forum) job done.

Come on it was a contentious enough issue first time round surely you'd realise bringing it up again it was always going to end up a debate.

[MartyC]

Yep - had a little bet someone would turn it into the mid debate again. We voted, the majority went for the dates we've got. This thread isn't for a debate on dates, it's if Gish's frame is Mid - which it is being from 2003. I just find it a bit disappointing that the minority of people who didn't agree with the dates to start with use threads like this to turn it into the same old date debates. Instead of doing that, post more in the Mid section and make it a bit more lively.

@Marty - have a read here: http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,171969.0.html

40 to 23 in favour of the dates we've got, as through the thread it was decided that the majority wanted either the dates we have or decades and fook off the 'school' idea in it's entirety.

The no in me last post was referring to the fact that the Neal Wood's a race frame, I was trying to point out it's easier to define a street/park bike than a race due to the fairly easy-ish to spot adoption of new school tech.

Not intending to start a debate but if only 63 members of a total 2495 membership voted it's hardly a majority vote at all.  Sorry but calling a 2003 race frame Mid School is like calling the Haro Freestyler 30th Anniversay Frame old school, it may look like it but it ain't it.  My GT24 is a race bike and a 2004 model, with an integrated headset - mid school?  Hardly!

[Dannywhac]

Not intending to start a debate but if only 63 members of a total 2495 membership voted it's hardly a majority vote at all.  Sorry but calling a 2003 race frame Mid School is like calling the Haro Freestyler 30th Anniversay Frame old school, it may look like it but it ain't it.  My GT24 is a race bike and a 2004 model, with an integrated headset - mid school?  Hardly!

Yep - and the 63 members that voted were probably the one's that frequent and have a fair whack of input for the mid section. More probably saw the thread and didn't vote out of the 2000+ members as they had no desire to, but the vote doesn't show that number - the thread was viewed over 1400 times. The thread was up for over a week, plenty of time to see it and have an input. Thread and vote over, dates defined.

And calling a 2003 race frame mid because of the dates we decided is nowt like calling a Haro Freestyle Anni frame Old School. When was it made? Same goes for your GT24.

It's time for the facepalm - no more date debate

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[MartyC]

Yeah, I hardly come on here let alone post so it's not a debate then.

Frankly I couldn't give a flying fcuk but do think the rationale applied is flawed.  That said, tomorrow night I'll go for a blast on my newly anointed mid school cruiser, I'm off to bed...

[Dannywhac]

Well, at least the threads proved you can't please everyone