Blood boiling fakes

[NORTY40]

  Nice melons !!! 

are they real or fakes?

 

Not too sure Griff ....... but i wouldn't mind finding out , with my own hands obviously 

You can actually tell by the skin tbh , it's a fine art and many years of melon feeling has given me the knowledge to recognise the difference between a fake and the real thing   

[Mat]

Fakies always have the nip on.

Which is just another reason to invest 3K 

[dinglem]

Like i said, i don't do fakes 

[Jaan]

^^ this is all a bit of a shame....

I've not been posting on RAD very long so have been quite surprised at a few of the posts in recent weeks. Lots of personal stuff being written that is probably best said via PM or to faces, as entertaining as it may be for everybody else to read....

Anyway... back to fakes. What can you do? I guess as prices ''boom'' or whatever you wish to call it then this will happen more and more. The re-issue Burners, Skyways and so on would mean absolutely nothing to me and i could never justify buying one. Again, each to their own.  Buying the parts you have been hunting for for years is a real thrill, and finding them in NOS condition is even better, but you do sometimes have to wonder where all of this ''NOS'' stock is coming from. I imagine it would be better to buy items in survivor condition with 30+years of battle-scars to prove age and authenticity and then restore said items yourself to the spec you wish.

I've always like UNI Hand Grenade grips, but was gutted to find out the II's had been re-manufactured as I could never bring myself to buy a pair as there was always a risk they were re-issues. It's not the desire to have things others haven't, it is just what I want to do in this hobby, and buying new stuff off the shelf isn't it. I restore classic cars as another hobby and that is exactly the same for me. In my head i would know something on a car wasn't right, even if to 99.9% of people looking at it, it looks genuine. Re-issues taint the OG items in my mind; whilst i have Bear Traps and B1B's in my stash i would never buy any more now they can be found new.

I eventually went for a pair of Hand Grenade I's in the hope that it is only the second generations that have been re-manufactured - i've read that the original tooling was modified to make the II's so the first generation can't be remade easily), and i also made sure the pair I bought still had the original box (albeit a bit battered) and came with the original glue packet, bar-end discs and so on. Even then, they could be fake grips with a new box, but in my head, they're fine. I'm happier to pay over the odds for something like that because i don't sell anything on, and i am just collecting for myself.

[ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I'm pretty new to the game I suppose, but i am just buying the items that I like and that to the best of my ability I can convince myself are the real deal. If that's what makes me happy then that's good enough for me. It''s a shame that there are people out there trying to use the genuine interest of others to make a profit out of fake (or reproduction dressed as OG) items. I do a lot of research before i buy things, and that in itself is very much a part of this hobby for me.

I'd like to think I know the difference between real and fake, but others on here know a lot more than i do 


[ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Repop Oakley's are stamped 2010, repop Hand Grenades are made from harder rubber and if you can't get your hands on them they have an additional weep hole just past "Grenade" and repop Hutch pedals have an extra four grip studs on the platforms.... etc etc.

Like I said its all about educating yourself to know the differences, which can take time, but the fact that copies are out there certainly won't stop me buying anything original. I don't get that?

[Devilock]

^^ this is all a bit of a shame....

I've not been posting on RAD very long so have been quite surprised at a few of the posts in recent weeks. Lots of personal stuff being written that is probably best said via PM or to faces, as entertaining as it may be for everybody else to read....

Anyway... back to fakes. What can you do? I guess as prices ''boom'' or whatever you wish to call it then this will happen more and more. The re-issue Burners, Skyways and so on would mean absolutely nothing to me and i could never justify buying one. Again, each to their own.  Buying the parts you have been hunting for for years is a real thrill, and finding them in NOS condition is even better, but you do sometimes have to wonder where all of this ''NOS'' stock is coming from. I imagine it would be better to buy items in survivor condition with 30+years of battle-scars to prove age and authenticity and then restore said items yourself to the spec you wish.

I've always like UNI Hand Grenade grips, but was gutted to find out the II's had been re-manufactured as I could never bring myself to buy a pair as there was always a risk they were re-issues. It's not the desire to have things others haven't, it is just what I want to do in this hobby, and buying new stuff off the shelf isn't it. I restore classic cars as another hobby and that is exactly the same for me. In my head i would know something on a car wasn't right, even if to 99.9% of people looking at it, it looks genuine. Re-issues taint the OG items in my mind; whilst i have Bear Traps and B1B's in my stash i would never buy any more now they can be found new.

I eventually went for a pair of Hand Grenade I's in the hope that it is only the second generations that have been re-manufactured - i've read that the original tooling was modified to make the II's so the first generation can't be remade easily), and i also made sure the pair I bought still had the original box (albeit a bit battered) and came with the original glue packet, bar-end discs and so on. Even then, they could be fake grips with a new box, but in my head, they're fine. I'm happier to pay over the odds for something like that because i don't sell anything on, and i am just collecting for myself.

[ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I'm pretty new to the game I suppose, but i am just buying the items that I like and that to the best of my ability I can convince myself are the real deal. If that's what makes me happy then that's good enough for me. It''s a shame that there are people out there trying to use the genuine interest of others to make a profit out of fake (or reproduction dressed as OG) items. I do a lot of research before i buy things, and that in itself is very much a part of this hobby for me.

I'd like to think I know the difference between real and fake, but others on here know a lot more than i do 


[ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Run that by me again. ..

[dinglem]

I didn't know those points you just mentioned Jaan (many thanks for the info btw...) so until i'm used to spotting these things i'll try to keep away from items that are known to have been reproduced.

Being able to buy them new just kind of takes the magic away from it all for me, personally speaking. Can't really explain why tbh.

The comment made earlier about the decals is messing with my mind now i must admit! 

[NORTY40]

The comment made earlier about the decals is messing with my mind now i must admit! 

 

You had better not get anything powder coated either then Mart as most bikes were painted bitd 

[Jaan]

I didn't know those points you just mentioned Jaan (many thanks for the info btw...) so until i'm used to spotting these things i'll try to keep away from items that are known to have been reproduced.

Being able to buy them new just kind of takes the magic away from it all for me, personally speaking. Can't really explain why tbh.

The comment made earlier about the decals is messing with my mind now i must admit! 

I didn't know them until I did (if that makes sense?). Like I mentioned before we really should have some sort of reference section for this to help one another know the differences and make more informed choices. 

[rodriguez]

Anyway... back to fakes. What can you do? I guess as prices ''boom'' or whatever you wish to call it then this will happen more and more. The re-issue Burners, Skyways and so on would mean absolutely nothing to me and i could never justify buying one. Again, each to their own.  Buying the parts you have been hunting for for years is a real thrill, and finding them in NOS condition is even better, but you do sometimes have to wonder where all of this ''NOS'' stock is coming from. I imagine it would be better to buy items in survivor condition with 30+years of battle-scars to prove age and authenticity and then restore said items yourself to the spec you wish.

I've always like UNI Hand Grenade grips, but was gutted to find out the II's had been re-manufactured as I could never bring myself to buy a pair as there was always a risk they were re-issues. It's not the desire to have things others haven't, it is just what I want to do in this hobby, and buying new stuff off the shelf isn't it. I restore classic cars as another hobby and that is exactly the same for me. In my head i would know something on a car wasn't right, even if to 99.9% of people looking at it, it looks genuine. Re-issues taint the OG items in my mind; whilst i have Bear Traps and B1B's in my stash i would never buy any more now they can be found new.

I eventually went for a pair of Hand Grenade I's in the hope that it is only the second generations that have been re-manufactured - i've read that the original tooling was modified to make the II's so the first generation can't be remade easily), and i also made sure the pair I bought still had the original box (albeit a bit battered) and came with the original glue packet, bar-end discs and so on. Even then, they could be fake grips with a new box, but in my head, they're fine. I'm happier to pay over the odds for something like that because i don't sell anything on, and i am just collecting for myself.

[ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I'm pretty new to the game I suppose, but i am just buying the items that I like and that to the best of my ability I can convince myself are the real deal. If that's what makes me happy then that's good enough for me. It''s a shame that there are people out there trying to use the genuine interest of others to make a profit out of fake (or reproduction dressed as OG) items. I do a lot of research before i buy things, and that in itself is very much a part of this hobby for me.

I'd like to think I know the difference between real and fake, but others on here know a lot more than i do 


[ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Some of the repops have benefited the hobby (especially the ride outs), take tyres I remember bikes around 2002-3 being displayed with black wall tioga comp 3's or in some case no tyres at all.  Atleast now you can get hold of various tan wall comp 3's which are a good alternative to mitsiboshi gen 2 green and blue labels which were going for £3-350 in mint condition a while back.  Somebody recently fooked up a pair of 30 yr old tyres riding them they just disintegrated in no time.

Surely you don't and wouldn't use 40 year old tyres on your car restorations.

[dinglem]

Yeah, the OG finish thing is always a bit strange. I've only had one done, but that's a rider. Lots of people told me not to take the WHEELS stickers off my frame, but i couldn't live with them being all banged up. I did try just adding the new ones where they were missing but they still grated with me so i fitted a new set.

The reference section is a fantastic idea. How to ID reproduction items, assuming the new ones have identifying features (green, round, look like melons). It's not so bad as i'm talking about particular grips that i like and little things like that, but the thread itself started talking about an entire frame being cloned and passed off as an original item.

I have to say I have been PMing a fair few people on RAD since i started posting and have asked for plenty of advice and everybody has been really informative. The way things are going with prices though, if somebody makes a bad choice it could end up costing them a fair chunk 

Yeah - that's a really good point about the tyres. There are some compromises, plus they won't MOT cars with tyres over a certain age anyway.

[Jaan]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would condone defrauding someone for financial gain - not even Devilock.

[BADDH]

I am a bit lost here just read 5 pages..

Re-cap:- Joff likes Melons but likes to handle the goods first,  and Devilock is behaving himself  .. Ye right .. Sir Richard stop it.. 

No that's wrong .. Or was it Jono or Nick...  where's this going again guys...

[Mat]

Hopefully it will turn into a 'members birds tits' thread 

Fake or not, all good 

[Devilock]

I am a bit lost here just read 5 pages..

Re-cap:- Joff likes Melons but likes to handle the goods first,  and Devilock is behaving himself  .. Ye right .. Sir Richard stop it.. 

No that's wrong .. Or was it Jono or Nick...  where's this going again guys...

It's Ricky Carmichael.

You need working on boy...

[Devilock]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would condone defrauding someone for financial gain - not even Devilock.

I even did it to Jesus.

[BADDH]

I am a bit lost here just read 5 pages..

Re-cap:- Joff likes Melons but likes to handle the goods first,  and Devilock is behaving himself  .. Ye right .. Sir Richard stop it.. 

No that's wrong .. Or was it Jono or Nick...  where's this going again guys...

It's Ricky Carmichael.

You need working on boy...

Mrs Miggins Pie Shop 10:30pm don't be late 

[Pooch]

I'm bored now.. I think I'll jog on..

[Waxintaxin]

Thread cleaned
No more threats no more bitching
Bitching by pm to each other is fine but not here please

[Jono]

 

Thread cleaned
No more threats no more bitching
Bitching by pm to each other is fine but not here please

now my comments make no sense, again

[kungfunky]

Thread cleaned
No more threats no more bitching
Bitching by pm to each other is fine but not here please

now my comments make no sense, again

It's like your having a conversation with the friend only you can see 

[BMX1973]

Repo Parts
I have said this on a few threads before if I bought a 2014 Skyway I would put all genuine repop parts on, e.g repo Kashimax, repo Dia Compe 890 etc. Would'nt even want to put Fake parts on. If it was a 1984 Skyway I would want to put Old School parts on.

Fake Parts
There are a few parts I steer clear of like Hutch as I can't seem to work out the difference between Old and New (some thread here have helped).
A couple of months back one of transactions I had on ebay was for Repo Victor VP300 that were being Sold as Old Stock..... this is what I don't like.
Also a few years ago there were a lot of Kuwahara Laser Post knocking about which were fake. These were quite easy to spot as they had CR-MO embossed just before Kuwahara Laser Post.

New Thread Sticky
What would be good if a member had a Genuine part and the Fake part side by side listing the differences and then posted on a sticky thread to help us all out. Trouble is is having both Old and Fake part to do this.

 

[Devilock]

Repo Parts
I have said this on a few threads before if I bought a 2014 Skyway I would put all genuine repop parts on, e.g repo Kashimax, repo Dia Compe 890 etc. Would'nt even want to put Fake parts on. If it was a 1984 Skyway I would want to put Old School parts on.

Fake Parts
There are a few parts I steer clear of like Hutch as I can't seem to work out the difference between Old and New (some thread here have helped).
A couple of months back one of transactions I had on ebay was for Repo Victor VP300 that were being Sold as Old Stock..... this is what I don't like.
Also a few years ago there were a lot of Kuwahara Laser Post knocking about which were fake. These were quite easy to spot as they had CR-MO embossed just before Kuwahara Laser Post.

New Thread Sticky
What would be good if a member had a Genuine part and the Fake part side by side listing the differences and then posted on a sticky thread to help us all out. Trouble is is having both Old and Fake part to do this.

 

Stop talking.

[BMX1973]

 

Repo Parts
I have said this on a few threads before if I bought a 2014 Skyway I would put all genuine repop parts on, e.g repo Kashimax, repo Dia Compe 890 etc. Would'nt even want to put Fake parts on. If it was a 1984 Skyway I would want to put Old School parts on.

Fake Parts
There are a few parts I steer clear of like Hutch as I can't seem to work out the difference between Old and New (some thread here have helped).
A couple of months back one of transactions I had on ebay was for Repo Victor VP300 that were being Sold as Old Stock..... this is what I don't like.
Also a few years ago there were a lot of Kuwahara Laser Post knocking about which were fake. These were quite easy to spot as they had CR-MO embossed just before Kuwahara Laser Post.

New Thread Sticky
What would be good if a member had a Genuine part and the Fake part side by side listing the differences and then posted on a sticky thread to help us all out. Trouble is is having both Old and Fake part to do this.

 

Stop talking.

[jT Racing]

as long as someone is willing to get their cash out, there will be willing providers of whatever you want. The fake market has been there from day dot, sanderspeeds being a good example, then the deep h with no recess for the top washer and it snowballed from there. The 24" skyway killed it a bit for me. It was unobtanium, then somebody dumped a skip load of unobtanium substitute on the market and it was a step to far.
when this


became this



i was saddened for collectors of real old school gems.

[Jono]

Thread cleaned
No more threats no more bitching
Bitching by pm to each other is fine but not here please

now my comments make no sense, again

on the plus side hes now turned his attention from Adam to me now, in getting keyboard threats 
It's like your having a conversation with the friend only you can see