Mid School dates debate Vote off

[pickle]

You can go off people real quick you know! 

[ED209]

The more I think about it the more  ithink there both pos! And both old school!

the more you post up the more I lose the will to live 

[Dannywhac]

The more I think about it the more  ithink there both pos! And both old school!

Kinda weird Ed as I read that as:

'Bashguards are the mutts nuts and S&M suck teh balls. I now hate bashguards and am building an S&M' 

[ED209]

The more I think about it the more  ithink there both pos! And both old school!

Kinda weird Ed as I read that as:

'Bashguards are the mutts nuts and S&M suck teh balls. I now hate bashguards and am building an S&M' 

He's the Mr Benn of BMX Dan 

[OllyHall]

 

[oberonspacefruit]

I was thinking about this on my hour long drive home. I dont mind what the results of the poll is, but Im always up for a discussion, and 3 points have come to mid that may or may not be relevant.

Point 1
In ref to dordies S+S point, this 88 bike


would probably walk away with an armfull of trophies if it were placed in a mid school class. If the dates of mid related the year of construction this making it oldschool, it would probably not get a second glance in a show and shine, as most old school punters only want to see bikes that they had/aspired to have as a kid, and by the time that bike came onto anyones radar those people had discovered mountain bikes, motorbikes, drugs and tits.

Point 2
If we change the dates on the categories, does this relate to oss racing as well? if not, why not? for instance, this streetbeat, which we have decided is deffo in the oldschool camp,


would NOT be allowed into the oldschool racing season as a rider due to its 990 mounts. if we are classing a bike to its age related date, it should be allowed in the race. is this bike oldschool, or midschool- there seems to be a contradiction in opinions. Whereas I rode this 1992 robbo in the OSS summer series



this involved cutting the steere of a set of 1 1/8th landing gear, welding a threaded steerer tube on and running no bearing race in the bottom cup and looseballs in the top bearing cup. it should be classed as mid, in anyones definition, but no one blinked an eye (partly, in fairness because i never won any races due to being continually hung over, also its not about the winning, I prefer a leisurly tootle round the track so that I can wave at my fans) as it conformed to the OSS rules. So, do we change the OSS rules to conform with this new poll?

Point 3

If we are classing bikes by the technology that they employ in their build process, IE non double drops, threaded steerer tube, non euro bb etc, what class would this bike fall into?



Just some little points to get the old grey matter bubbling, before you decide what to vote for.

[Dannywhac]

Good pointage 

For me:

1. Totally get that point (although on a side not there's no way that bike would win a Mid S&S - it's now got acorn mags - the thin spoked ones, CW bars with a bell and horn on em, tassles coming out the grip ends and a layback this is a joke)

2. This is where the overlap bit comes in - see I'd still say the essence of a bike is the frame - that Robbo smacks of mid, the botchit steerer Landers do as well. Brakes maybe not. OS Racing sections would still allow for a lugless 1" Dirt Bike or Holmes, which stink of middness.

3. Modern repop I guess. I'd personally love it if they remade Acorn Freeway frames. Cos I had one till 'Alan fat arse Kemp' snapped the seattube. Totally get why people want em, but just not my bag.

[nosepickben]

I dont think im clever or articulate enough to add much to this debate, but i really have a dislike for Alan Kemp. The fat-arsed wankpot.

[oberonspacefruit]

HA!
What year did he snap it? perhaps that year could be proposed as "the death of oldschool" -starting mid school from the following year.....

[Dannywhac]

HA!
What year did he snap it? perhaps that year could be proposed as "the death of oldschool" -starting mid school from the following year.....

 

Believe it or not........1988 (it all fits  ) Gave it to him on a 'lendsie' as I'd managed to get me hands on a beefier single toptube Torker and spray bombed it flouro 'it'll jump higher' green. Thought the Torker would make me fly on a local quarter and over the dirt jumps (well humps) in Bridlington.

Miss that Freeway (did I just say that in the mid section), built that bugger up one January after buying bits and bobs from Percy Bolton (a local old bloke who's shop was his garage attached to his 60's bungalow) in 1984. Four years it lasted till that big bummed wankpot (thanks Ben for that summary - you must have met him  ) sat trundleing it round on a bent layback till he tried a jump with me and it went.

[dordymush]

Glad somebody got what I was trying to say Phil 

[stidds]

Glad somebody got what I was trying to say Phil 

We all knew what you were trying to say Dave, however the whole discussion thread had sorted these details out already.

[ED209]

60 voters so far and it closes tonight ... is that a good turnout?

[pickle]

deffinately Ed.........normally only get about 90 on BOTM votes 

[nosepickben]

An '88 Maddog is OLDSCHOOL.

[stidds]

An '88 Maddog is OLDSCHOOL.

An 88 Maddog is whatever the moderators of midschool say it is, that will be their job if the vote stays as it is. 

That is how it works ladies and gentlemen. 

[OllyHall]

Who's the mods?

[ED209]

Who's the mods?

We are...

[oberonspacefruit]

Ive just read the ten page discussion thread….and I realise now the need for positive productive resolutions to this problem.
I can see stidds point of view about needing a definitive dater rather than feathering (nice term) the date of old to mid) Ive judged at MK too, and it’s a hard job, when you’d much rather be having a beer like everyone else.It makes it even harder when after wandering around for four hours you get slaughtered by several groups about issues that are to them,  of great importance, but are completely open to a matter of opinion. It make you not want to do it again, which is not in the spirit of RAD. It then makes it even harder, that whilst in a bad mood, you’ve got to go and pick up all the rubbish that the people who have just been arguing with you about NOS and survivor decals have chosen to leave on MK site.
It’s the right decision to make the judges/mods decisions more accurate, not easier, by all agreeing to a group concensus. If we don’t do that, its understandable that when after all the hard work behind the scenes has been done, and they still get bashed, that they decide not to do it again, and therefore threatens the future success of the event and ultimately the quality and atmosphere of the site.

Lets all agree to be a bit flexible and put this issue to bed, in a democratic way shall we?

In terms of a 2004 bike being entered into a midschool comp and winning, its not really gonna happen in all honesty is it, which made me think of the following:

Can we not volounteer some real mid school torchholders to be specific judges for the S+S section at MK etc, by doing that any crossover bikes are never going to cause the uproar of winning, as it will be true, knowledgeable judges, who know the difference between old/mid/new, regardless of dates?

[stidds]

Well that is it guys the vote/poll has run its course and the overwhelming decision is for the midschool section to be (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) - set dates with 2 years flexibility either side to accommodate exceptions.


So I will set about changing the sections to reflect this.


Thanks to all who took the time to get involved in the decision making process and also for those who voted.

[Gary72]

Thank you Sean for one of the best threads I have read on Rad for awhile

[pickle]

It was emotional 

[Dannywhac]

Yep - was a top debate. What people wrote changed my mind a few times 

[GavinDavis]

Nice one lads...

I kindq kept outtq the way after one or two posts cos it was frying my brain lol

But im glad it went the way it did 

[rodriguez]

Nice one Sean for initiating the debate and seeing it through to the end.

Nice one Ed for keeping the thread on track and clarifying the odd point here and there.

Nice one Danny for invaluable contribution.

I obviously reckon this is the best outcome and I hope in the future others who aren't so sure will do too.