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Quote from: rodriguez on February 27, 2014, 09:25 PMDo you understand the option decades above means no more vintage, old school, mid school or new school the site will be totally reorganised and those terms won't be used again?WHy not?70's - vintage80's - old school90's - mid school2000's - new school2010+ - currentits really not that big a deal.
Do you understand the option decades above means no more vintage, old school, mid school or new school the site will be totally reorganised and those terms won't be used again?
that's what i thought too at some pointbut it's too harsh approximation - it's the observation of actual riders that convinced methe terms have meaning ....... and the dates do too
Quote from: rodriguez on February 27, 2014, 09:25 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 09:17 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 27, 2014, 09:11 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 09:09 PMQuote from: Dannywhac on February 27, 2014, 09:00 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 08:15 PMI don't understand this 2 years either way.2 year of flexibility to accommodate exceptions what a fookin load of bollocksIt's either mid school or not NO exceptionsI get where you're coming from G, but re-reading and taking in some of the input in the debate thread it makes sense (and the thread changed my opinion by the end of it). You can't lump a Mad Dog or mid style Revcore in the same section as say for instance a stock FST or Streetbeat (not that I'm saying they're stock bikes because we all build em different ) from the same years. We put a name to eras in essence to define a way of thinking/tech (if that doesn't sound too up it's own 'arris) that cropped up for that era of BMX. The way we list stuff has to have a 'numeric/periodic value' if you like in order to list it, and in order to preserve that (and the eras) in my changed opinion the above poll covers all bases.I think the above gives everyone a good scale that preserves Vintage/Old/Mid/New and the community in the separate sections on the site that has run well for years. Adding to that it gives the option for the sections to be divided into decades.Whatever is decided in the poll, I reckon the RAD result will be seen as a way to define stuff for BMX forums/S&S etc for a while to come Fook me that was waffley - and I'm stone cold sober this time round Dan I have a 03 S&M Neal wood but would class that as new school not mid schoolAlso how could you say an 87 CW to be classed as mid school Did you not read the points made in the thread about how these things would be handled?Did you not read read where it says 2 years flexibility either wayVintage, old school & new school don't have it so why should mid school be any differentThat point was made and addressed in the thread, why didn't you contribute to the thread?The short answer is there were bikes built in the same year that fit into different schools as Danny has shown above.Do you understand the option decades above means no more vintage, old school, mid school or new school the site will be totally reorganised and those terms won't be used again?Hey rodders if you go to page 1 and mine is the 3rd comment.Also I understand the options that's why I've voted for decades
Quote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 09:17 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 27, 2014, 09:11 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 09:09 PMQuote from: Dannywhac on February 27, 2014, 09:00 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 08:15 PMI don't understand this 2 years either way.2 year of flexibility to accommodate exceptions what a fookin load of bollocksIt's either mid school or not NO exceptionsI get where you're coming from G, but re-reading and taking in some of the input in the debate thread it makes sense (and the thread changed my opinion by the end of it). You can't lump a Mad Dog or mid style Revcore in the same section as say for instance a stock FST or Streetbeat (not that I'm saying they're stock bikes because we all build em different ) from the same years. We put a name to eras in essence to define a way of thinking/tech (if that doesn't sound too up it's own 'arris) that cropped up for that era of BMX. The way we list stuff has to have a 'numeric/periodic value' if you like in order to list it, and in order to preserve that (and the eras) in my changed opinion the above poll covers all bases.I think the above gives everyone a good scale that preserves Vintage/Old/Mid/New and the community in the separate sections on the site that has run well for years. Adding to that it gives the option for the sections to be divided into decades.Whatever is decided in the poll, I reckon the RAD result will be seen as a way to define stuff for BMX forums/S&S etc for a while to come Fook me that was waffley - and I'm stone cold sober this time round Dan I have a 03 S&M Neal wood but would class that as new school not mid schoolAlso how could you say an 87 CW to be classed as mid school Did you not read the points made in the thread about how these things would be handled?Did you not read read where it says 2 years flexibility either wayVintage, old school & new school don't have it so why should mid school be any differentThat point was made and addressed in the thread, why didn't you contribute to the thread?The short answer is there were bikes built in the same year that fit into different schools as Danny has shown above.Do you understand the option decades above means no more vintage, old school, mid school or new school the site will be totally reorganised and those terms won't be used again?
Quote from: rodriguez on February 27, 2014, 09:11 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 09:09 PMQuote from: Dannywhac on February 27, 2014, 09:00 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 08:15 PMI don't understand this 2 years either way.2 year of flexibility to accommodate exceptions what a fookin load of bollocksIt's either mid school or not NO exceptionsI get where you're coming from G, but re-reading and taking in some of the input in the debate thread it makes sense (and the thread changed my opinion by the end of it). You can't lump a Mad Dog or mid style Revcore in the same section as say for instance a stock FST or Streetbeat (not that I'm saying they're stock bikes because we all build em different ) from the same years. We put a name to eras in essence to define a way of thinking/tech (if that doesn't sound too up it's own 'arris) that cropped up for that era of BMX. The way we list stuff has to have a 'numeric/periodic value' if you like in order to list it, and in order to preserve that (and the eras) in my changed opinion the above poll covers all bases.I think the above gives everyone a good scale that preserves Vintage/Old/Mid/New and the community in the separate sections on the site that has run well for years. Adding to that it gives the option for the sections to be divided into decades.Whatever is decided in the poll, I reckon the RAD result will be seen as a way to define stuff for BMX forums/S&S etc for a while to come Fook me that was waffley - and I'm stone cold sober this time round Dan I have a 03 S&M Neal wood but would class that as new school not mid schoolAlso how could you say an 87 CW to be classed as mid school Did you not read the points made in the thread about how these things would be handled?Did you not read read where it says 2 years flexibility either wayVintage, old school & new school don't have it so why should mid school be any different
Quote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 09:09 PMQuote from: Dannywhac on February 27, 2014, 09:00 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 08:15 PMI don't understand this 2 years either way.2 year of flexibility to accommodate exceptions what a fookin load of bollocksIt's either mid school or not NO exceptionsI get where you're coming from G, but re-reading and taking in some of the input in the debate thread it makes sense (and the thread changed my opinion by the end of it). You can't lump a Mad Dog or mid style Revcore in the same section as say for instance a stock FST or Streetbeat (not that I'm saying they're stock bikes because we all build em different ) from the same years. We put a name to eras in essence to define a way of thinking/tech (if that doesn't sound too up it's own 'arris) that cropped up for that era of BMX. The way we list stuff has to have a 'numeric/periodic value' if you like in order to list it, and in order to preserve that (and the eras) in my changed opinion the above poll covers all bases.I think the above gives everyone a good scale that preserves Vintage/Old/Mid/New and the community in the separate sections on the site that has run well for years. Adding to that it gives the option for the sections to be divided into decades.Whatever is decided in the poll, I reckon the RAD result will be seen as a way to define stuff for BMX forums/S&S etc for a while to come Fook me that was waffley - and I'm stone cold sober this time round Dan I have a 03 S&M Neal wood but would class that as new school not mid schoolAlso how could you say an 87 CW to be classed as mid school Did you not read the points made in the thread about how these things would be handled?
Quote from: Dannywhac on February 27, 2014, 09:00 PMQuote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 08:15 PMI don't understand this 2 years either way.2 year of flexibility to accommodate exceptions what a fookin load of bollocksIt's either mid school or not NO exceptionsI get where you're coming from G, but re-reading and taking in some of the input in the debate thread it makes sense (and the thread changed my opinion by the end of it). You can't lump a Mad Dog or mid style Revcore in the same section as say for instance a stock FST or Streetbeat (not that I'm saying they're stock bikes because we all build em different ) from the same years. We put a name to eras in essence to define a way of thinking/tech (if that doesn't sound too up it's own 'arris) that cropped up for that era of BMX. The way we list stuff has to have a 'numeric/periodic value' if you like in order to list it, and in order to preserve that (and the eras) in my changed opinion the above poll covers all bases.I think the above gives everyone a good scale that preserves Vintage/Old/Mid/New and the community in the separate sections on the site that has run well for years. Adding to that it gives the option for the sections to be divided into decades.Whatever is decided in the poll, I reckon the RAD result will be seen as a way to define stuff for BMX forums/S&S etc for a while to come Fook me that was waffley - and I'm stone cold sober this time round Dan I have a 03 S&M Neal wood but would class that as new school not mid schoolAlso how could you say an 87 CW to be classed as mid school
Quote from: Gish on February 27, 2014, 08:15 PMI don't understand this 2 years either way.2 year of flexibility to accommodate exceptions what a fookin load of bollocksIt's either mid school or not NO exceptionsI get where you're coming from G, but re-reading and taking in some of the input in the debate thread it makes sense (and the thread changed my opinion by the end of it). You can't lump a Mad Dog or mid style Revcore in the same section as say for instance a stock FST or Streetbeat (not that I'm saying they're stock bikes because we all build em different ) from the same years. We put a name to eras in essence to define a way of thinking/tech (if that doesn't sound too up it's own 'arris) that cropped up for that era of BMX. The way we list stuff has to have a 'numeric/periodic value' if you like in order to list it, and in order to preserve that (and the eras) in my changed opinion the above poll covers all bases.I think the above gives everyone a good scale that preserves Vintage/Old/Mid/New and the community in the separate sections on the site that has run well for years. Adding to that it gives the option for the sections to be divided into decades.Whatever is decided in the poll, I reckon the RAD result will be seen as a way to define stuff for BMX forums/S&S etc for a while to come Fook me that was waffley - and I'm stone cold sober this time round
I don't understand this 2 years either way.2 year of flexibility to accommodate exceptions what a fookin load of bollocksIt's either mid school or not NO exceptions
Quote from: rodriguez on February 27, 2014, 09:25 PMDo you understand the option decades above means no more vintage, old school, mid school or new school the site will be totally reorganised and those terms won't be used again?I have always fooking hated the "school" bit, especially new school, that's just shit.
If you cant define the atttude change in BMX with fixed dates or events its isn't worth mentioning. Similarly, if you going to use tech to justify eras we need to clarify what tech had the biggest impact. Its commonly accepted that threadless headsets were one of the biggest technical advances in BMX, but no one wants to use it as a start finish of an era? Why? Because it comes right in the middle of their bike collection, and they want the whole thing to be mid school.
The thinking is flawed and the lines are blurred. I will be the first to admit that. Define it by decades (like every other industry) and lets just crack on with building bikes.
I think that sums it up Daz.I've been struggling to know whats best to vote for, or even if either is right ... but reading the debate here if we go for Decades you can have an 80s Mid School bike ... like the S&M ... or a 90s Old School bike like the Haro Sport ( bashguard or not ) ... you can use 'schools' to define your own bike as and when you see fit ... and argue the case if someone disagrees.
.....but the point is .........if these terms make sense ........why not acknowledge them with sensible periods?
Quote from: midschooljon on February 27, 2014, 10:00 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 27, 2014, 09:25 PMDo you understand the option decades above means no more vintage, old school, mid school or new school the site will be totally reorganised and those terms won't be used again?WHy not?70's - vintage80's - old school90's - mid school2000's - new school2010+ - currentits really not that big a deal.Well I think it is because it' not right, mid-school began in the late 1980's and ended in the early 2000's, either schools or decades not a fudge of both.I can understand some people don't like the whole schools thing but to fudge them together is a horrendous idea.
Quote from: fischflo on February 27, 2014, 11:09 PM.....but the point is .........if these terms make sense ........why not acknowledge them with sensible periods?Because, as is woefully evident, the periods can not accurately be defined, dates can
Quote from: OrgasmDonor on February 27, 2014, 11:21 PMQuote from: fischflo on February 27, 2014, 11:09 PM.....but the point is .........if these terms make sense ........why not acknowledge them with sensible periods?Because, as is woefully evident, the periods can not accurately be defined, dates canblääääh