Author Topic: Midschool date, year, era, decade etc. I need your input (Read 21132 times)

adenough · « **Reply #75 on:** February 23, 2014, 04:38 PM »

Quote from: midschooljon on February 23, 2014, 04:36 PM

Quote from: adenough on February 23, 2014, 03:57 PM
How would re-pop parts on an old school frame set be defined?

As re pop old school parts.

You know what I meant, classifications etc errr arrr

Discostu · « **Reply #76 on:** February 23, 2014, 05:35 PM »

I like the cross over idea, so you could have mid starting from 87 and old school finishing at 89. So in those two years you can choose if you think your bike should be in the old school or mid school sections.

Then a crossover for mid to new school needs to be worked out.

fischflo · « **Reply #77 on:** February 23, 2014, 10:08 PM »

anything goes .......its either vintage, os, ms or ns. So you yourself decide where you post or enter your bike. Yeah, why not.

And if there's an overload of NS in the show and shine, then just divide into NSI and NSII.

i think we've got it.......

fischflo · « **Reply #78 on:** February 23, 2014, 10:25 PM »

.....divide by what criteria..?

fischflo · « **Reply #79 on:** February 23, 2014, 10:52 PM »

or, more realistically, same model gets entered into two cats at the show and shine?

stidds · « **Reply #80 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:21 PM »

OK I have stayed away from this thread for 24 hours.

Has anything been decided or are things getting worse?

fischflo · « **Reply #81 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:32 PM »

I think Danny kinda solved the debate - easy on the mods, too . Just one or two questions remaining.......

Weird that it took us so long to come to this simple solution really....

stidds · « **Reply #82 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:42 PM »

Quote from: fischflo on February 23, 2014, 11:32 PM

I think Danny kinda solved the debate - easy on the mods, too . Just one or two questions remaining....... Weird that it took us so long to come to this simple solution really....

Oh no please don't tell me that after a couple of days of hot (mass)debating, the one voice of reason and logic is Danny

So what is this amazing idea he has come up with.. oh boy am I looking forward to this

Sorry Danny, love you really mate

fischflo · « **Reply #83 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:47 PM »

First he said smth about bronze age, i was too drunk to read all of it, but then when he woke up he said:

Put your bikes wherever you please ffs.

phenomenological approach i think it's called

stidds · « **Reply #84 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:51 PM »

So this helps me how, put your bikes where you want indeed (although that does sound like Danny).

Just went back to find Danny's bronze age rant

, Danny what the fook were you drinking last night mate? I though I was drunk yesterday but fook me I was stone cold sober compared to you

The reason why I want something that everybody can (sort of) agree with is that site admin/mods are continually moaned at (honestly we are). This mid-school date thing keeps cropping up so I want it to go away. When it comes to Show and Shine and BOTM/BOTY people are VERY competitive and incredibly bitchy. So when you say put a bike where you want, don't worry about dates etc, can you imagine the shit that will fly around when a bike from 1988 or 2004 that is entered in the midschool S&S category and wins it? The moaning will be so loud you could hear it in deepest outer space as somebody somewhere isn't happy that a 1988 or 2004 bike is midschool. I can actually hear the moaning now!!!!!

I want something I can say..... THIS is how it is on RADBMX, this is how we run things. That way we all know and even though not everyone will 100% agree with the date/era/decade etc at least we can say well we (RADBMX members, not admin) all decided on this and then my life (and all the other admin and mods) will be so, so, so much easier.

fischflo · « **Reply #85 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:57 PM »

its either vintage, os, ms or ns. So you yourself decide where you post or enter your bike.

question1: ...if there's an overload of NS in the show and shine, then just divide into NSI and NSII, but by what criteria?

q2: What if the exact same model gets entered into OS and MS (for example)?

fischflo · « **Reply #86 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:01 AM »

Answer to q2: Radbmx @ MK decides individually .....no big deal imo.

q1: purely academic at the moment .......this will be the future Midschool debate

rodriguez · « **Reply #87 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:02 AM »

Quote from: stidds on February 23, 2014, 11:51 PM

So this helps me how, put your bikes where you want indeed (although that does sound like Danny).

Just went back to find Danny's bronze age rant , Danny what the fook were you drinking last night mate? I though I was drunk yesterday but fook me I was stone cold sober compared to you

The reason why I want something that everybody can (sort of) agree with is that site admin/mods are continually moaned at (honestly we are). This mid-school date thing keeps cropping up so I want it to go away. When it comes to Show and Shine and BOTM/BOTY people are VERY competitive and incredibly bitchy. So when you say put a bike where you want, don't worry about dates etc, can you imagine the shit that will fly around when a bike from 1988 or 2004 that is entered in the midschool S&S category and wins it? The moaning will be so loud you could hear it in deepest outer space as somebody somewhere isn't happy that a 1988 or 2004 bike is midschool. I can actually hear the moaning now!!!!!

I want something I can say..... THIS is how it is on RADBMX, this is how we run things. That way we all know and even though not everyone will 100% agree with the date/era/decade etc at least we can say well we (RADBMX members, not admin) all decided on this and then my life (and all the other admin and mods) will be so, so, so much easier.

You are going to hear moaning even if you put specific years on it because it's pretty clear that Mid-school can't be defined into specific years, it's generally accepted that at either end of the mid school period there are transitional periods when bikes can fall into the previous or the next category.

Reading back through the thread I see the general consensus for the MS section as 89 (including S&M from 87) - 03 which is not a kick in the ass off what it is now and I think it is as close as you are going to get in years.

fischflo · « **Reply #88 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:53 AM »

why put dates on schools people probably have a good feeling for?

the technical debate is one for experts ........with all DUE respect, Rod - i know full well that I'm Forrest Gump compared to you when it comes to being in the know of ANY specifics...... (at all, in my case)

But we could have course vote on some date-based vs the school-model......

rodriguez · « **Reply #89 on:** February 24, 2014, 02:02 AM »

Quote from: fischflo on February 24, 2014, 01:43 AM

why put dates on schools people probably have a good feeling for?

the technical debate is one for experts in the background ........with all DUE respect, Rod - i know full well that I'm Forrest Gump compared to you when it comes to being in the know of ANY specifics......

But we could have course vote on some date-based vs the school-model......

Now Flo don't you sell yourself short you're no slow coach.

I'm all for having the sections without dates but I can also see the argument for having them for the S&S, BOTM/Y competitions so in that regard I'm only trying to facilitate Stidds original request.

fischflo · « **Reply #90 on:** February 24, 2014, 02:47 AM »

let's see what happens ..lol

stidds · « **Reply #91 on:** February 24, 2014, 08:16 AM »

Well let me put it this way to aid (I hope) further discussion.

As a site we need a start and end point so any ideas that involve open start and finish dates are not worth entertaining.

I do see that it is hard to pin that start and finish date down, but we have done that with all the other 'schools' on site without so much as one disenting voice, so now it is your turn.

I am happy to drop the 'school' and go on decades or years, but it must be pinned down somehow by you guys as we will be could be having massive change to the site or a tweek.

It really does depend on what is decided in this thread and voted on when we have something to vote on.

Now as I said I know this will not please everyone, but it is not you that gets moaned at all the time.

pickle · « **Reply #92 on:** February 24, 2014, 08:25 AM »

so still none the wiser then

Dannywhac · « **Reply #93 on:** February 24, 2014, 11:29 AM »

Was some odd Brazilian tequila + some Belgic beers. Had to retype four times (and that's difficult squinting through one eye)

Totally appreciate the S&S is a whole different kettle of fish, and that splitting into decades would be a massive reshuffle.

So - if you do need dates then, use Sens idea for the start - so do it at '89 but allow anything with double drops from 87-88 in on Mid. End of mid - 2003. Job done (after some voting obviously).

Can totally see where you're coming from with the moaning - send 'em my way and I'll dispense a non-sweary rambling response

pickle · « **Reply #94 on:** February 24, 2014, 11:33 AM »

rodriguez · « **Reply #95 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:36 PM »

stidds · « **Reply #96 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:45 PM »

Quote from: rodriguez on February 24, 2014, 12:36 PM

Some bikes from 2003 the year suggested as the end date.

2003 - 2 Hip Pork http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/2_hip/31700

2003 - 2 Hip Root Down http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/2_hip/51765

2003 - S & M Dirtbike XL http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/49112

2003 - S & M Dirtbike http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/15516

2003 - S & M PBR http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/66976

2003 - Hoffman Resistance http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/hoffman/70997

2003 - Hoffman Rhythm http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/hoffman/18151

2003 - Hoffman Condor http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/hoffman/55957

2003 - S & M Neal Wood http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/49244

2003 - S & M Trail Frame http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/72908

2003 - Terrible One Bar Code http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/terrible_one/33547

2003 - Terrible One Bar Code http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/terrible_one/69736

2003 - Terrible One Bar Code http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/terrible_one/55807

Having just the 1990s for Mid-School will mean be a big chunk of some makes gone, eg, Terrible One

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/terrible_one/ and S&M at the beginning http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/

So.....

Looking at your post rod, are we saying S&M at the beginning.... 1987 and Two hip at the end... 2003? Isn't that what we have (1997-2002) that everybody keeps complaining about?

So have we gone full circle and you guys were moaning just for the sake of moaning?

rodriguez · « **Reply #97 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:01 PM »

Quote from: stidds on February 24, 2014, 12:45 PM

Quote from: rodriguez on February 24, 2014, 12:36 PM
Some bikes from 2003 the year suggested as the end date.

2003 - 2 Hip Pork http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/2_hip/31700

2003 - 2 Hip Root Down http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/2_hip/51765

2003 - S & M Dirtbike XL http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/49112

2003 - S & M Dirtbike http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/15516

2003 - S & M PBR http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/66976

2003 - Hoffman Resistance http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/hoffman/70997

2003 - Hoffman Rhythm http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/hoffman/18151

2003 - Hoffman Condor http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/hoffman/55957

2003 - S & M Neal Wood http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/49244

2003 - S & M Trail Frame http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/72908

2003 - Terrible One Bar Code http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/terrible_one/33547

2003 - Terrible One Bar Code http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/terrible_one/69736

2003 - Terrible One Bar Code http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/terrible_one/55807

Having just the 1990s for Mid-School will mean be a big chunk of some makes gone, eg, Terrible One

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/terrible_one/ and S&M at the beginning http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/sandm/

So.....

Looking at your post rod, are we saying S&M at the beginning.... 1987 isn't that what we have that everybody keeps complaining about?

So have we gone full circle and you guys were moaning just for the sake of moaning?

When the site started back up again IIRC the moaning was about 87 & 88 masters being moved to the Mid School section where they don't belong as they are old school also as a result they didn't get the recognition and praise they deserved.

There is an overlap period between 87-89, 1989 is a more accurate date as it's when bashys were introduced and most of the MS fellas say bashys are mid school.

S&M was started in 87 but should be included because it could be considered the first mid school brand and the other reasons given earlier in the thread.

Do you think 89 (including S&M from 87) is an acceptable compromise?

Dannywhac · « **Reply #98 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:11 PM »

Quote from: rodriguez on February 24, 2014, 01:01 PM

Do you think 89 (including S&M from 87) is an acceptable compromise?

Don't just single out S&M though - just make it any double plate dropout bike from 87-88 and any bike from '89 onwards. This'll mean you can include other companies (such as a double drop Privateer) as well as those bikes that were modified which earmarks the start of mid.

rodriguez · « **Reply #99 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:28 PM »

Quote from: Dannywhac on February 24, 2014, 01:11 PM

Quote from: rodriguez on February 24, 2014, 01:01 PM
Do you think 89 (including S&M from 87) is an acceptable compromise?

Don't just single out S&M though - just make it any double plate dropout bike from 87-88 and any bike from '89 onwards. This'll mean you can include other companies (such as a double drop Privateer) as well as those bikes that were modified which earmarks the start of mid.

Suits me if that's allowed as and option