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i see what you mean - interesting -, but if one follwed this, we would have to agree on the periods. So what's the 89ish and 04ish devides' reasons for then?That, and secondly ......what's in future, NS just goes on and on from 05ish ..with subcats emerging....? like f.ex New SchoolII from 12 on just as an example...? Like that?
See how confusing it is for us?None of you have agreed at all on anything, but something has to be agreed on.We have to have definitive dates as that is the way we run things.This is why I want some kind of decision to be made by you guys as this is the how we will be running the site. If all the other 'schools' can be happy with pre 80's, 80-86 (as it is at the moment) etc then midschool better make a decision too.
I see there is a problem but it can't be difinitive around years IMO where the schools are concerned.Old school didn't stop in 86,"golden age" of BMX finished in the UK around 86 but old school carried on, I'm 44 this year it stopped for me around 86/87, my brother is 40 it stopped for him around 89/90.
I don't know why this is specifically in the mid-school section, for example, the end of vintage and the beginning of old school is also a huge grey area in my opinion.I can see what people are saying about whole 'schools' thing meaningless but thats just the way it is, the hobby developed out of a group of people having an interest in 'old school' bmx which to us was the golden age of BMX what came before and after has just been tacked on and I think we are stuck with them and overtime the parameters will change, nothing should be set in stone.I'd go for:-Vintage Pre 79ishOld School 80ish - 89ishMid-school 90ish - 04ishNew School 05ish onThere will be cross overs and it's up to the entrant and the organisers to sort it out sensibly, using criteria like year the model was introduced and then the year the model was changed, for example 1988 Haro Master is old school 1989 Haro Master bashguard is mid school.Using decades is the easy way out but it's also meaningless and lacks sole ignoring how the hobby came about in the first place.Please just use the classifications for the S&S and let the forum continue the way it does with things finding their place.FFS don't listen to Ed he's been harranging people in the mid school section put tan wall tyres on bikes that really should have black walls because of his black wall phobia
Old school = 1inch threaded headset, caliper only brake and pre 2000, everything else is contemporary BMX, until the next major change in design n tech outdates what at present recognised as the normand anyway, does it reeeeeeeally fookin matter as long as you can find what yer lookin for
Quote from: OrgasmDonor on February 04, 2014, 11:44 PMOld school = 1inch threaded headset, caliper only brake and pre 2000, everything else is contemporary BMX, until the next major change in design n tech outdates what at present recognised as the normand anyway, does it reeeeeeeally fookin matter as long as you can find what yer lookin for i meant 1 1/8th of course -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Vintage 72-79 (1972="On Any Sunday")OS 80-88 (1inch threaded headset, caliper only brake)Mid School 89-04ish (89= Bashguards)New School 04ish-present (04ish="US BB phased out, freewheels phased out in favour of cassette and introdution of micro gearing, 48h to 36h, movement towards light and strong as opposed to heavy and strong.")-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------i kinda like the idea of categories set around points of time where innovations broke through.I do like the simplicity of the decade-idea and the fact that this corresponds with the 'experience'; but these categories really should be more about the bikes themselves..........Can we agree on the timetable above? I guess its worth elaborating.
i would agree with these dates. to be a little more specific, mid school began on 6th of june 1989. FACT
hm...ad lugs .........when did they become popular standard? .....perhaps really more defining than Bashguards?
Is this purely for the S&S or will the titles of the sections be changed too?Last time we had this debate the point was made that the people using the mid section are happy enough the way it is and I reckon that still stands, the longer this thread goes on the less likely that's going to be the case, it's the best mid-school section on the interweb and now it's just being ruined.If moderators or judges don't know what section a BMX should be in maybe they are in the wrong role.Take the years off the sections on the site and do the S&S at milton keynes using decades, job done.
Quote from: rodriguez on February 22, 2014, 08:21 PMIs this purely for the S&S or will the titles of the sections be changed too?Last time we had this debate the point was made that the people using the mid section are happy enough the way it is and I reckon that still stands, the longer this thread goes on the less likely that's going to be the case, it's the best mid-school section on the interweb and now it's just being ruined.If moderators or judges don't know what section a BMX should be in maybe they are in the wrong role.Take the years off the sections on the site and do the S&S at milton keynes using decades, job done. Well you are 100% wrong, people are obviously not happy with the way it is as everybody keeps bitching about it.So instead of saying that is the way things are I am saying you guys decide.This is not just for S&S and MK the sections on radbmx, the BOTM, BOTY etc will all run this way with the dates/eras/schools/decades etc.To add a little snidey remark about judges and moderators makes me want to say fook you all and I will decide.We are asked time and time again to let the members make more decisions about the way the site is run and I put this really important item out there and all you can do is make a narky comment about people that spend a lot of time and effort on running this site and MK.I am not leaving the dates open for people to decide themselves as a site admin we need and require a decision, if you cannot help with that decision then there is no need to comment or join in.So to the rest of you, lets have your ideas and solutions.
Quote from: stidds on February 22, 2014, 08:30 PMQuote from: rodriguez on February 22, 2014, 08:21 PMIs this purely for the S&S or will the titles of the sections be changed too?Last time we had this debate the point was made that the people using the mid section are happy enough the way it is and I reckon that still stands, the longer this thread goes on the less likely that's going to be the case, it's the best mid-school section on the interweb and now it's just being ruined.If moderators or judges don't know what section a BMX should be in maybe they are in the wrong role.Take the years off the sections on the site and do the S&S at milton keynes using decades, job done. Well you are 100% wrong, people are obviously not happy with the way it is as everybody keeps bitching about it.So instead of saying that is the way things are I am saying you guys decide.This is not just for S&S and MK the sections on radbmx, the BOTM, BOTY etc will all run this way with the dates/eras/schools/decades etc.To add a little snidey remark about judges and moderators makes me want to say fook you all and I will decide.We are asked time and time again to let the members make more decisions about the way the site is run and I put this really important item out there and all you can do is make a narky comment about people that spend a lot of time and effort on running this site and MK.I am not leaving the dates open for people to decide themselves as a site admin we need and require a decision, if you cannot help with that decision then there is no need to comment or join in.So to the rest of you, lets have your ideas and solutions.I've tried to make a decent contribution to the subject and back it up with reasons to justify my suggestion as opposed to just feelings.I wasn't making a snidey remark about the moderators/judges which was meant as a jibe I was making a serious point.
Sean-do you think we could lose the "it's a bit dark and smells of men" most of my stuff is of the era in discussion but it pi55es me off every time I read it! Cheers Miles