What was the first BMX frame to come with (welded on) Brake lugs?

[emerbmx]

I'd like to publicly apologise for getting over excited and trying to tell you about bolt on centre pull brakes when it has nothing to do with welded on brake lugs. With that out the way-

86 Torker and 86 Street beat are currently the earliest examples of BMX frames with brake lugs?
Any one know which one was first or if there's anything earlier?

[Discostu]

I thought there were earlier bmx's that had mounts with Suntour Cunningham roller cams. Not a u brake but still used frame mounts. 

[Dannywhac]

I thought there were earlier bmx's that had mounts with Suntour Cunningham roller cams. Not a u brake but still used frame mounts.  

Mongoose had 'em on their ATB's in 1985. And I'm guessing but if the Roller cam came out 82ish, then welded lugs on ATB's might have appeared around '83?

[lodge]

Ammaco issued myself and glyn lewis with prototype frames at the end of 85 they had lugs on the underside of the chainstays and also on the forks, I hadn't seen them before so I took it to a local road bike shop but they didn't have any brakes to fit.

[SaMAlex]

I thought there were earlier bmx's that had mounts with Suntour Cunningham roller cams. Not a u brake but still used frame mounts. 

Yeah, good point. Didnt Hutch have a weld-on mount Roller cam front brake?
The same one that Standard had on a few prototype forks in the 90s.

Ammaco issued myself and glyn lewis with prototype frames at the end of 85 they had lugs on the underside of the chainstays and also on the forks, I hadn't seen them before so I took it to a local road bike shop but they didn't have any brakes to fit.

Thats way cool, very interesting. Strange that Ammaco would put mounts on when the brakes werent really available. I wonder where they got the details of the mounts and the idea to use them. Esp as not many (if any) other bikes were using them in 1985

[lodge]

I thought there were earlier bmx's that had mounts with Suntour Cunningham roller cams. Not a u brake but still used frame mounts. 

Yeah, good point. Didnt Hutch have a weld-on mount Roller cam front brake?
The same one that Standard had on a few prototype forks in the 90s.

Ammaco issued myself and glyn lewis with prototype frames at the end of 85 they had lugs on the underside of the chainstays and also on the forks, I hadn't seen them before so I took it to a local road bike shop but they didn't have any brakes to fit.

Thats way cool, very interesting. Strange that Ammaco would put mounts on when the brakes werent really available. I wonder where they got the details of the mounts and the idea to use them. Esp as not many (if any) other bikes were using them in 1985

I dont think ammaco had a clue about the lugs tbh, the frames were a bit of a mystery they said It was a prototype but I suspect they were catalogue frames from usual supplier in Taiwan. I was breaking the ammaco all steel 18" frame on a weekly basis and they had to send me a complete every time so they said they would get me a stronger full chro-mo frame and the frame with the lugs is what turned up.  The frames had similarities to the ammaco styler500 such as the kicktail etc which was introduced a while later so I suspect manufactured in same place.

[bof]

Diamond back had lugged frames in 86 but i dont think they are ad 990 , i thought they also did a reactor race bike at the same time ,
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/diamondback/56394

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/diamondback/50224

[nosepickben]

Good digging bof and a very interesting story from S&Mc. So who made those lugged ammaco frames? Were they definitely Japanese?

[gary4130]

skyway didn't put luggs on 'beats until '87
bet they just used old beats up first +welded the luggs on 
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee101/99bowtie/IMG_3141.jpg

sure it was the diamondback with  mike d strike zone in '86 -remember bmx plus having a test with one