Who wants to build some twisted spoke wheels for me? :-)

[ED209]

Just to got some Peregrine rims to go with my superPro hubs ( thanks to olly & marc ) but I'd love to have some tribute twisted spoke wheels like Ron W used to offer for WALs... them seem to have been called Twisteron! 

Any wheel build pros fancy having a go at building them for me?

will go find a pic 

[ED209]

and it goes a lil something like this...

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[ED209]

morning Mr Happy 

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[fugazi]

Haven't seen twist lacing for years  I had a set of wheels done in the 90's that Cyclesport (Bmxcity) built, and I think They used to offer Prolite wheels laced like it as well.
Shouldn't be too hard to do Yourself, working out spoke length might be a headache though?!

[Taipan]

I had a wheel like that a while back,I thought it was fooked when I got it? would'nt know where to start to lace one of those but i think they look really cool

[SaMAlex]

I have a bike with a twist laced wheel. Its very 90s! haha.

The theory is since the spokes are supported in the middle, they are effectively shorter, so stiffer. The problem is that if you snap one spoke, you lose the tension in 2 spokes.

They use the same length spokes as normal lacing. The best way is to build it up normal and then go back and swap round the pairs of spokes before tensioning up the wheel.

[fugazi]

Brilliant way of explaining it Alex, I could never work out how it was done, but now You've said it I can picture it, Awesome 

[GavinDavis]

I read somewhere recently that if your building a wheel with twist spokes you need to use spokes that are 10mm longer than the ones you remove?  Twisting them in the right place I would have thought is gonna be a whole different ball game though?

[SaMAlex]

Ive known many people who have taken an existing, built wheel, and twisted the spokes. Not swapped a thing. You just take out each pair of crossed spokes, and swap round which hole they came from.
(but you need to slacken off the whole wheel tension first) 

There are other ways of achieving the same "stiffening" effect. One way is to zip-tie the pairs of spokes together, or even tie 2 pairs together so the zip-tie spans 2 sets of crosses. Another way is to solder the spokes together where they cross. Ive seen this done on motorbikes, but its not a good idea on bikes cos its a right pain to remove the spokes 

[fugazi]

Makes sense, as the spoke hasn't got to go as far across to the spoke hole, it's almost coming back on itself. On a side note 48 spoke wheels seem to be making a comeback, which can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned 

[oldtired]

 " Twisterson laced "         'kin brill    why not go all out Ed n get the truck conversion done too  full 96 spokeroo    think of the weight you'll save by going on a diet  drilling all them holes in your rims  

[SaMAlex]

why not go all out Ed n get the truck conversion done too

Nice idea 

I was talking to Tim Ruck (T-Ruck) last night about going on a riding trip next month. He uses normal 36s now though

[ED209]

" Twisterson laced "         'kin brill    why not go all out Ed n get the truck conversion done too  full 96 spokeroo    think of the weight you'll save by going on a diet  drilling all them holes in your rims  

how rood 

I have some nice rim decals on the way from Ron 

wheres Brett ... ? ... I bet hes up for it 

[gary4130]

as Alex said ed its easy to do on a built up wheel +just twist spokes over each other.done a couple myself with no probs +just kept same length spokes.can take pics of my 36 spoke wheels if needed 

[harris]

i bought a set custom made from billys,nightmare ,used them for a few weeks then they kept loosing true
i had to almost daily re check them.

[Rob1]

Yeah , they were rubbish .One of the spokes pulled through my Super Pro hub on the rear . Still got the front one though .
Don`t do it if you are going to ride on them .

[stidds]

As a general rule you add 3mm spoke length for every full twist of the spoke, so that wheel would only add 1.5mm (or don't bother as it is not enough to worry about).

They are actually relatively easy to build as you build them in exactly the same way as a 3x wheel and twist the spoke at the last spoke cross.

To keep the tension on them trials riders bitd (who mostly used this style) solder the twist area.  I think the main advantage of the twisted lacing pattern is that you get a greater damping ratio which makes a more stable landing.