help with wheel build,what the fook am i doing wrong ??

[dj-paul-c]

started my first wheel build tonight
ive had them built ,unbuilt  and rebuilt tonight 
ive included a pic of them before resto,they are the same hubs and rims with the wheels =no change and i got correct length of spoke measured from originals to make it nice and "easy"   
i followed skidds guid on the sticky section
and
so far looked good but no matter where i put the leading spokes it seems it dont want to tighten up like the rest when i turn the hub clockwise (when no trailing spoke is in and i turn the hub clockwise the nipples sit in there proper position but when i put in a trailing spoke and do this there is a gap on the trailing spoke nipple of about 15mm ??
do i just need to keep building or have i done something wrong
i put the nipples on same turns on each one
before and after pics

[dj-paul-c]

ive put a silver spoke (trailing spoke) in the wheels for illustration purposes (pics below)
is this in the correct place ?
if not where should it go?

is originally the wheels 3x or 4x ?

thanks for the help

[stidds]

First thing is the name is stidds not skidds 

Secondly the original wheels are 3x and you are lacing the new one 4x so that will make the spoke too short.  If you look at the silver spoke it goes over 3 spokes and under 1, it should go over 2 and under 1 (basically the first spoke that it crosses is the spoke head next to it).

[bof]

The original wheel looks 4 cross to me.
Also i would check ,the front and back could have different spoke length. Have you took this into account.

[WARDY]

Send em to Skidds he ll sort em

[not johndub71]

I love skyways...
:-)

[dj-paul-c]

First thing is the name is stidds not skidds 

oops,sorry,my appologies for this,too many hours counting the turns on spokes,frustration,and cans of stella

after another look this morning-
. the spokes seem to have a 2 mm difference in them between front and back as the hubs are slightly different diameter
. my original wheels seem to be 4x ??
. the white spokes have some powder over some of the threads so the nipples dont screw right over them as they do on the original spokes
. im thinking if i got a dye to clean the threads that would sort this as if i place the leading spoke in for a 4x then it looks as if all the nipples tighten up this should work ?

what size is the dye i need
is it s 2mm dye ?

thanks for the help

[Devilock]

First thing is the name is stidds not skidds 

 

[deeman]

First thing is the name is stidds not skidds 

 

what you laughin at Waspmoth??!!

[dj-paul-c]

thanks for the help guys

i got them done,the original wheels were 4x and the new spokes i bought had some powder coating over the threads so they wouldnt tighten up first time round
i had to clean the powder of the remaining threads - to do this i got an old nipple and put it in a bettery drill with the bottom facing out and used that as a dye to clean the threads off i had to go on and off a couple times to clean out the powder

72 spokes later and i was ready to build again