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Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
« on: September 14, 2012, 06:18 AM »
I'm just looking at fixing a WAL Bashguard to my 2hip Big Boy frame...

the front is straight forward ... drill through the down tube and bolt on ( MidschoolJon has already advised getting a metal tube down through the drill hole to stop the downtube getting squashed when its tightened  :daumenhoch: )

the rear is a bit trickier as the bashy braket doesn't match the chain stay brace to drill through ... I was thinking 'a bracket' above the chain stay to bolt onto... but does anyone have a better idea...

I have been invited to the 'MunnyLab' to do some drillin'n'shit  8) I'm not letting Keith anywhere near this project.

( I know that TTIUWP but its early and I can't find the camera without waking people up  :) - pics to follow )
« Last Edit: September 14, 2012, 11:48 AM by ED209º »
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2012, 07:03 AM »
There are many ideas in my mainly unused mind.

What size bolt hole in the down tube fixing end?

I have some threaded inserts which may do a job...

We could knock up an ally clamp to go around the stay brace and pick up the fixing where needed, brushed finish, very mid!!

Lets see the pics.

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Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2012, 11:50 AM »






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Re: Elegant solutions to a bashy problem.
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2012, 01:40 PM »
I would go down the route of the old gt bolt on bashguard. You could easily get a couple of plates machined up to fit round the chainstays

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2012, 03:21 PM »
Are you prepared to drill the frame?

If so, I'd drill the frame where it would be if it were a WAL Riot and modify the bash guard, cut off the legs where they join the rails and re fix a bit further up. Its the proper way to do it.

If you dont want tho drill, the we can make up a couple of clamping plates, but it'll look gay.

Lets get this biatch sorted, I know welders!!

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2012, 03:31 PM »
I'm prepared for anything  :)

I was thinking of cutting a chunk out of the bars of the bash bit to shorten it, stick something inside to join them up again, then drill and bolt it on behind the BB.

It will never be 'bashed' so it doesn't have to be super strong  :)
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2012, 03:40 PM »

It will never be 'bashed' so it doesn't have to be super strong  :)

Got some blue-tack if that's any good to ya?

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2012, 03:41 PM »
What a pile of wank design!

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2012, 03:43 PM »
It will never be 'bashed' so it doesn't have to be super strong  :)

Ed, then whats the point of doing it?  ???  :LolLolLolLol:

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2012, 04:41 PM »
I've got say. I think you are mad. Your butchering a perfectly good frame to make it look like something else.  :idiot2:
I would sell it on and look for a wal riot. Then get new dropouts made that support the seat stays better.  :daumenhoch:

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2012, 05:07 PM »
What a pile of wank design!

To be fair the two items were never made to work together. offer that bash up to a WAL and it fits perfectly.  :daumenhoch:
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2012, 05:11 PM »
Dont modify the bashguard Ed, there rare enough as it is and if it wasnt for Ron one would be impossible to find.  :daumenhoch:

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2012, 06:41 PM »
 :yahoo_silent: pffffffft purists!
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2012, 07:06 PM »
keep it real, superglue and gaffer tape.
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2012, 10:14 PM »
keep it real, superglue and gaffer tape.

yeh man - now we are talking mid school  ;D

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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2012, 10:26 PM »
Dont modify the bashguard Ed, there rare enough as it is and if it wasnt for Ron one would be impossible to find.  :daumenhoch:

Fair point Rob... I will go with a clamp option I reckon ... plus it will be spot on if I get a Riot  :daumenhoch:
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2012, 10:32 PM »
Don't worry Ed, Marky fix it....

clamps is easier, but not as handsome...

Gonna be a git though, due to that odd chainstay layout.

never mind.

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2012, 10:35 PM »
I've got say. I think you are mad. Your butchering a perfectly good frame to make it look like something else.  :idiot2:
I would sell it on and look for a wal riot. Then get new dropouts made that support the seat stays better.  :daumenhoch:


FFS Stu... thanks for the drama... ever thought of reading the news!  ;D 'butchering' FFS... its not a Kappy Trickstar!  8) its a 96/97 midschool tank that I'm having fun with... HAVING FUN WITH .... FUN ... it is still a concept allowed in here a believe  ;D

I got a cheap frame and some cheap parts and I'm doing what I want  :daumenhoch: give a fella a break!

And lastly... a 2 hip Big Boy IS a Riot with 'dropouts made that support the seat stays better' ... so I'm ticking all the boxes  :daumenhoch:
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2012, 10:37 PM »
Don't worry Ed, Marky fix it....

clamps is easier, but not as handsome...

Gonna be a git though, due to that odd chainstay layout.

never mind.

MM

the chain stay layout is very Zima if you ask me  8)

we can sort it Mark ... and lastly for any doubters ... Ron W. himself gave it the thumbs up and offered advice on how to make it work when I brought it off him...  :4_17_5: :smitten: I'm listening to Ron  :daumenhoch:  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2012, 08:22 AM »
I've got say. I think you are mad. Your butchering a perfectly good frame to make it look like something else.  :idiot2:
I would sell it on and look for a wal riot. Then get new dropouts made that support the seat stays better.  :daumenhoch:


FFS Stu... thanks for the drama... ever thought of reading the news!  ;D 'butchering' FFS... its not a Kappy Trickstar!  8) its a 96/97 midschool tank that I'm having fun with... HAVING FUN WITH .... FUN ... it is still a concept allowed in here a believe  ;D

I got a cheap frame and some cheap parts and I'm doing what I want  :daumenhoch: give a fella a break!

And lastly... a 2 hip Big Boy IS a Riot with 'dropouts made that support the seat stays better' ... so I'm ticking all the boxes  :daumenhoch:

I think you have convinced yourself it's a riot mate!!
But it isn't. I may be made by the same bloke and a similar shape. But it isn't a riot!!  What you are doing is shocking mate. Yes it maybe a 96/97 frame but it is still pretty rare. And yours is mint!!! If it was an old rider then that would be different.  But to do what your gonna do to a nos frame is absurd. I'm surprised no one else has piped up and told you your mad!
At least kappys mods were all brazed onto an old frame so they could be heated up and removed without any damage to the original frame. But your on about drilling holes in yours. Which quite frankly is bonkers!!!  :uglystupid2: :idiot2: :idiot2: :'( :-\

Ed209=butcher!!  :2funny: :LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
« Last Edit: September 15, 2012, 08:55 AM by discostu »

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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2012, 08:52 AM »
Should have a sweepstake

How many minutes will elapse between Ed drilling his frame and a Riot coming up for sale?

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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2012, 09:00 AM »
FINISHED!

« Last Edit: September 15, 2012, 09:03 AM by ED209º »
"Do not go gentle into that good night,
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2012, 09:10 AM »
Looks awesome!

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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2012, 09:11 AM »
I've got say. I think you are mad. Your butchering a perfectly good frame to make it look like something else.  :idiot2:
I would sell it on and look for a wal riot. Then get new dropouts made that support the seat stays better.  :daumenhoch:


FFS Stu... thanks for the drama... ever thought of reading the news!  ;D 'butchering' FFS... its not a Kappy Trickstar!  8) its a 96/97 midschool tank that I'm having fun with... HAVING FUN WITH .... FUN ... it is still a concept allowed in here a believe  ;D

I got a cheap frame and some cheap parts and I'm doing what I want  :daumenhoch: give a fella a break!

And lastly... a 2 hip Big Boy IS a Riot with 'dropouts made that support the seat stays better' ... so I'm ticking all the boxes  :daumenhoch:

I think you have convinced yourself it's a riot mate!!
But it isn't. I may be made by the bloke and a similar shape. But it isn't a riot!!  What you are doing is shocking mate. Yes it maybe a 96/97 frame but it is still pretty rare. And yours is mint!!! If it was an old rider then that would be different.  But to do what your gonna do to a nos frame is absurd. I'm surprised no one else has piped up and told you your mad!
At least kappys mods were all brazed onto an old frame so they could be heated up and removed without any damage to the original frame. But your on about drilling holes in yours. Which quite frankly is bonkers!!!  :uglystupid2: :idiot2: :idiot2: :'( :-\

Ed209=butcher!!  :2funny: :LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:

Stu... read the first post mate... I never asked for your opinions on IF I should do what I WANT to MY frame... ( which is why no one else is on a soap box ) but you are STILL advocating doing welding mods to an even rarer Riot frame  :uglystupid2: but I'm a Butcher for drilling a hole in my frame.. go figure.

It is a totally mint NOS frame ... but its MY TOTALLY MINT NOS FRAME... so wind ya neck in and let me play  :daumenhoch:

Wind my neck in???

This is a website forum mate. So we all have freedom of speech.
I think you may find others haven't said anything coz your a mod!
This is not only my opinion. There are several other members on rad that think your nuts as well!!
The difference with me is if I think what you are doing is wrong I will say. Coz I've got the bottle to do it!!!

The wal airlines dropouts on most of the frames are cracked anyway. So making different dropouts isn't going to affect it that much.

To be honest as a mod I think you shouldn't be replying in the manner you are. After all the mods on this site are very quick at jumping on threads and voicing their opinions. But when the shoe is on the other foot it's a different story.

If you want to be known as rads butcher then that's your affair.

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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2012, 09:14 AM »
Oh look your post has been removed!
What a surprise!!
Shame I got it in the quote in my post above.  :2funny: :daumenhoch:


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